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Old 11-05-2006, 12:17 PM
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in no way did i say that denman should have been graphic, or that they should have zoomed in on pine island. i just felt he could have said something about the fave being out, pulled up, lost her jock, took a mis-step, whatever
i do think however that too much focus is placed on what a casual viewer would think, while those of us who know the sport are ignored.
also, IF espns intention was to sugarcoat, than why show the entire replay of pine island going down?? and more than once at that?

and i was a huge horse fan before discovering racing, and that after i already knew about ruffian and her sad tale. non fans know horses break down, so casual fans would as well...it's not as tho all those writing to barbaro have rose colored glasses on, and think all stories like his have a happy ending.
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Old 11-05-2006, 12:26 PM
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Denman's the best -- has been for last 25 years. If anyone else was even close, we could argue...
All those Durkin lovers have never heard a REAL race call before, so it will take them some time to get use to one.
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Old 11-05-2006, 01:34 PM
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I think Denman missed the Pine Island tragedy because the field was on the backstretch. At that point, he's using his binoculars to see the horses, which I'm assuming gives him a very narrow look at the field. He had just finished calling the 14th place horse and had gone back to the front of the pack. She was about a dozen lengths back at that point. He's probably not going to see her. Obviously, many were left wondering "where's Pine Island", but when you're calling a 14-horse championship race, you don't have time to ask yourself that question. In contrast, Fleet Indian was near the front and in his frame of vision.

I think Denman is a fine caller, but I was worried he wouldn't raise his game. The fact is that the BC is not a state-bred claimer and deserves to be called as such. I think he did an okay job. Sure, he missed a few spots (Street Sense being the notable one), but I kind of expected that for his first time. Like someone else mentioned, it seemed he did pay attention to the favorites a little too much in a couple races.

I don't envy Denman's position. I was pissed that Durkin wasn't going to call this year's Cup. He's THE voice of the Cup. That's what happens when one guy calls it for 22 years. Durkin became as much of the Breeders' Cup's identity as the races. His race calls make those commercials the NTRA was airing pretty neat. It's not going to be easy to get used to the change, but Denman represented himself well for his first time. And this is coming from a guy who initially thought Denaman would be absolutely terrible for the Breeders' Cup.
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Old 11-05-2006, 01:46 PM
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As i said on a thread that i had started is that i don't think Denman prepared the same way as Durkin.Durkin would of had been prepared for certain instances in races in advance.Example Ferdinand and Alysheba where he stated the 2 derby winners hit the wire together.I think that he put that in his mind days before.No matter how long he calls the cup races i don't think you'll ever get any catch phrases from Trevor.the difference as i stated on the other thread,Durkin,race caller/entertainer.Denman,race caller.
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Old 11-05-2006, 01:55 PM
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durkin said he planned ahead for things. i remember him talking about it before smartys belmont.

really, missing pine island was my only real beef with denman, so i don't understand why my comments generated to much flak. all in all i guess he did pretty well.
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Old 11-05-2006, 02:31 PM
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Denman's the best -- has been for last 25 years. If anyone else was even close, we could argue...
All those Durkin lovers have never heard a REAL race call before, so it will take them some time to get use to one.
So I guess a "real" race call entails missing the breakdown of a BC Distaff favorite, mispronouncing name after name and not even mentioning a winner until he's 8 lengths clear at the 1/16th pole?

If this is the case, I'll take a phony race call any day of the week.
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Old 11-05-2006, 03:01 PM
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I thought Denman did an okay job, Street Sense notwithstanding. I like that he frequently gives the jockey silks colors during the races-- it makes it easier to quickly find who he's talking about. I like Durkin best because I think no one calls races with as much dramatic flair as he, but I was fine with the calling yesterday.

I just came back from 45 minutes of watching the New York Marathon, trying to spot my two friends running in it, and boy, do I have a raging headache now. Fortunately they saw me! Yet another reason I could never have been a race caller... I can't find my friends who are running barely six miles an hour, coming straight at me!
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Old 11-05-2006, 03:17 PM
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I was at otb and couldn't hear the calls from Trevor. The local radio shows in LA are all saying he chocked on the big stage, but in his defense you got to change the saddle cloth colors to help spot the horses. When you have 14 horses its like a Easter Egg hunt to call them by the racing silks. You have 25 minutes between races to memorize the jockeys colors because you aren't going to see the # on the saddle cloth. After you listen to him call the races, most are not as good. Trever not only calls the position, he tells you what kind of trip the horses are having. Just my thought after 35 years of race watching.
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Old 11-05-2006, 03:27 PM
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i really don't think when it all comes down to it that the race caller will make or break the show.
i was more peeved at lack of split times being shown on screen.
analysts were good, i think only real room for improvement is they need to show more of the horses before each race. all in all, a good day. really, it was a very good day, a good showing and a good effort from espn.
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i really don't think when it all comes down to it that the race caller will make or break the show.
i was more peeved at lack of split times being shown on screen.
analysts were good, i think only real room for improvement is they need to show more of the horses before each race. all in all, a good day. really, it was a very good day, a good showing and a good effort from espn.
The lack of split times annoyed me, too. Some of the races they didn't post them until the first half mile- and then once or twice they flashed up and went away before I could read them. Made me very cranky.

But I was overall pretty satisfied. Especially with all the praise lavished on Ouija Board before and after the race. And the cameraman being sure to catch Dettori's antics.
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Old 11-05-2006, 03:24 PM
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Luke Kruytbosch started the day with the first 2 races. The change was definitely heard. It was not for the better either.
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