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11-05-2006, 08:01 AM
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thanks bid, for reminding me of her injury yesterday in your two posts like that. just what i really wanted to read this morning...
and you know, after reading posts here and in other threads, does anyone REALLY give a damn about the casual fans? casual fans aren't going to save this or any sport. it'd be nice if the sport would cater to the real fans, their base and the ones who keep it going.
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11-05-2006, 08:04 AM
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11-05-2006, 08:11 AM
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I would say a casual fan is someone who flips back and forth from College football. Maybe someone who watched gameday and sparked an interest. Someones girlfriend who never goes to the track and comes over on Saturdays. Little kids having a piece of pizza around a room full of adults watching the races. The cat? Those are casuals, and probably none of those people understand a big beautiful animal breaking her leg in the biggest race of her career.
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11-05-2006, 08:06 AM
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Danzig, thats the cruel truth of the situation. I think Denman was just thinking not making that call. Noway do you lose a 1200lb favorite on the racetrack. Believe me, he didnt call it on purpose and I dont blame him.
I give a damn about kids watching a race for the first time, women who maybe dont care for the sport and are trying to learn, fans who go to the track everyday. I care about all the fans, and Im sure Denman does too, lord knows ESPN does. Im sure they werent on him for "Missing" a catastrophic breakdown.
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11-05-2006, 11:11 AM
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11-05-2006, 11:14 AM
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"And i'm gonna have to stop gambling to notice street sense winning the race. This race was brought to you by Nasonex. A wise choice!"
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11-05-2006, 11:17 AM
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in no way did i say that denman should have been graphic, or that they should have zoomed in on pine island. i just felt he could have said something about the fave being out, pulled up, lost her jock, took a mis-step, whatever
i do think however that too much focus is placed on what a casual viewer would think, while those of us who know the sport are ignored. also, IF espns intention was to sugarcoat, than why show the entire replay of pine island going down?? and more than once at that? and i was a huge horse fan before discovering racing, and that after i already knew about ruffian and her sad tale. non fans know horses break down, so casual fans would as well...it's not as tho all those writing to barbaro have rose colored glasses on, and think all stories like his have a happy ending.
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11-05-2006, 12:34 PM
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I think Denman missed the Pine Island tragedy because the field was on the backstretch. At that point, he's using his binoculars to see the horses, which I'm assuming gives him a very narrow look at the field. He had just finished calling the 14th place horse and had gone back to the front of the pack. She was about a dozen lengths back at that point. He's probably not going to see her. Obviously, many were left wondering "where's Pine Island", but when you're calling a 14-horse championship race, you don't have time to ask yourself that question. In contrast, Fleet Indian was near the front and in his frame of vision.
I think Denman is a fine caller, but I was worried he wouldn't raise his game. The fact is that the BC is not a state-bred claimer and deserves to be called as such. I think he did an okay job. Sure, he missed a few spots (Street Sense being the notable one), but I kind of expected that for his first time. Like someone else mentioned, it seemed he did pay attention to the favorites a little too much in a couple races. I don't envy Denman's position. I was pissed that Durkin wasn't going to call this year's Cup. He's THE voice of the Cup. That's what happens when one guy calls it for 22 years. Durkin became as much of the Breeders' Cup's identity as the races. His race calls make those commercials the NTRA was airing pretty neat. It's not going to be easy to get used to the change, but Denman represented himself well for his first time. And this is coming from a guy who initially thought Denaman would be absolutely terrible for the Breeders' Cup.
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11-05-2006, 12:46 PM
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As i said on a thread that i had started is that i don't think Denman prepared the same way as Durkin.Durkin would of had been prepared for certain instances in races in advance.Example Ferdinand and Alysheba where he stated the 2 derby winners hit the wire together.I think that he put that in his mind days before.No matter how long he calls the cup races i don't think you'll ever get any catch phrases from Trevor.the difference as i stated on the other thread,Durkin,race caller/entertainer.Denman,race caller.
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11-05-2006, 12:55 PM
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durkin said he planned ahead for things. i remember him talking about it before smartys belmont.
really, missing pine island was my only real beef with denman, so i don't understand why my comments generated to much flak. all in all i guess he did pretty well.
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11-05-2006, 01:31 PM
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If this is the case, I'll take a phony race call any day of the week.
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11-05-2006, 02:01 PM
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I thought Denman did an okay job, Street Sense notwithstanding. I like that he frequently gives the jockey silks colors during the races-- it makes it easier to quickly find who he's talking about. I like Durkin best because I think no one calls races with as much dramatic flair as he, but I was fine with the calling yesterday.
I just came back from 45 minutes of watching the New York Marathon, trying to spot my two friends running in it, and boy, do I have a raging headache now. Fortunately they saw me! Yet another reason I could never have been a race caller... I can't find my friends who are running barely six miles an hour, coming straight at me!
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11-05-2006, 02:17 PM
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I was at otb and couldn't hear the calls from Trevor. The local radio shows in LA are all saying he chocked on the big stage, but in his defense you got to change the saddle cloth colors to help spot the horses. When you have 14 horses its like a Easter Egg hunt to call them by the racing silks. You have 25 minutes between races to memorize the jockeys colors because you aren't going to see the # on the saddle cloth. After you listen to him call the races, most are not as good. Trever not only calls the position, he tells you what kind of trip the horses are having. Just my thought after 35 years of race watching.
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11-05-2006, 02:24 PM
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Luke Kruytbosch started the day with the first 2 races. The change was definitely heard. It was not for the better either.
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