Kentucky's ongoing attempt to end racing in state proceeds..

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Danzig

there's more to it than just saying ' a first time starter'. they've been in training, maybe there's already been a bleeding episode? or maybe they just don't want to have to have a problem ever show up? if you can prevent bleeding and lung issues before they become an issue, why wouldn't you?
lasix has become the popular target for some reason, and really isn't the issue where drugs are concerned. the issues are with cheaters, some who are caught countless times, suspended countless times, and are still training. that's the issue, not a legal drug that has legitimate reasons for being used. it is absolutely a red herring in the whole discussion of what needs to be done to fix racing. cheating trainers and the owners who hire them are the issue. rather than all this bs posturing over lasix, where are the hearings and rules for many-times over cheaters? where are the moves for expanded testing, more security?

If you have a first-time starter that has already bled during training, that is a different story. You asked, "If you can prevent bleeding and lung issues before they become an issue, why wouldn't you?" I answered that in my last post. The reason I wouldn't want to use lasix for the first couple of races (assuming the horse has never bled in a workout), is because I would want to see how the horse runs without it. As I said, there is the rare horse that runs far worse with lasix. How would I know if my horse is one of those rare horses if I never ran him without lasix?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

If you have a first-time starter that has already bled during training, that is a different story. You asked, "If you can prevent bleeding and lung issues before they become an issue, why wouldn't you?" I answered that in my last post. The reason I wouldn't want to use lasix for the first couple of races (assuming the horse has never bled in a workout), is because I would want to see how the horse runs without it. As I said, there is the rare horse that runs far worse with lasix. How would I know if my horse is one of those rare horses if I never ran him without lasix?

thing is, if you wish not to run them on it, you have that choice. however, i don't think it's something that should be banned. i don't buy that it's a performance enhancer or a mask. if it was a masking agent, there sure are a lot of horses that stil pop in post-race testing...and if it is an enhancer, i'd think every horse would use it. that they aren't all on it belies that argument, doesn't it?

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by Danzig

thing is, if you wish not to run them on it, you have that choice. however, i don't think it's something that should be banned. i don't buy that it's a performance enhancer or a mask. if it was a masking agent, there sure are a lot of horses that stil pop in post-race testing...and if it is an enhancer, i'd think every horse would use it. that they aren't all on it belies that argument, doesn't it?

Do all professional athletes juice?

If not, how come? Roids definitely enhance performance.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Do all professional athletes juice?

If not, how come? Roids definitely enhance performance.

don't know, ask them.
what's that got to do with lasix? and of course other legal substances are regulated for race days, that do affect performance. so, the fact that lasix is not regulated, or having a parts per millions rule for race days tells me it's not considered by racing groups as performance-enhancing.