dear bernardini fans....

[avance2000]

Originally Posted by avance2000

well they each won the same # of graded stakes races in the U.S. right? (four i think)
and invasor won the big one.
to me that makes for a better year

oops. forgot the withers was a G3. that gives bern 5 to invasor's 4.
i'll still take 4 with the classic to 5 without.

[Rupert Pupkin]

I'll bet that Bernardini would beat Invasor in a match-race. The speed horse always has a big edge in match-races.

[randallscott35]

Heard a Bailey interview the other day where even he wanted to compare him to the alltime greats. It was across the board...There is a need to prop these horses up b/c people want desperately to have "the horse." It's a shame and it isn't Bernie's fault, but these people needed a wakeup today.

[ninetoone]

As long as there are sports "fans"....(short for fanatics, by the way)...people will prematurely anoint their favorites as the greatest ever, blah blah blah....chill out & take it with a grain of salt if you disagree.

Is it really necessary to go on and on about how these people were so ridiculously wrong & how "I told you so".....jeez, gimme a freakin' break...

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

I'll bet that Bernardini would beat Invasor in a match-race. The speed horse always has a big edge in match-races.

I think your right. So what. Much of racing is negotiating with the rest of the field, which was not accomplished by Bernardini. I would love to see the horse run again, lessons were learned.

Let him go ahead and crush some fields, mature, and come back and dominate a BC field as a talented tough animal. That would be ideal.

[Buffymommy]

Can't we all just admit that the reason we don't like Bernardini is because of the Preakness? I have admitted it. I admit that Bern is a good horse and probably the top three year old (Only due to Barbaro not being able to show what he is capable of.)

I think Barbaro's injury put a cloud over Bernardini that many of us can't look past.

Originally Posted by Buffymommy

Can't we all just admit that the reason we don't like Bernardini is because of the Preakness? I have admitted it. I admit that Bern is a good horse and probably the top three year old (Only due to Barbaro not being able to show what he is capable of.)

I think Barbaro's injury put a cloud over Bernardini that many of us can't look past.

I agree with Buffy that the Preak is half the equation. But I still don't think anyone hates the horse, hes just an innocent animal. I think the other half was since I have been following the sport I have seen some damn good horse get questioned right up to the end of their careers. I questioned Zapper's ability to go a mile and a quarter, and when he did do I was the first to say he was one of the best ,if not the best, that I ever saw.
Last year many of the same folks who were Bernadians(great line Jim, sounds almost Biblical, I suppose those who love Corinthian earlier this year were Corinthians) this year questioned and lampooned Saint Liam up to the end.
But the arrogance shown by the Bernadians was the most outrageously over the top display I have ever seen in my entire time following horses.
The way that they talked down to folks "who dared question" him was wild.
I think the animosity that developed was not over the horse himself, but against his supporters who acted that way.
Its over now, and really guys and gals, its long past time to move off the topic.

[Dunbar]

Originally Posted by Buffymommy

Can't we all just admit that the reason we don't like Bernardini is because of the Preakness? I have admitted it. I admit that Bern is a good horse and probably the top three year old (Only due to Barbaro not being able to show what he is capable of.)

I think Barbaro's injury put a cloud over Bernardini that many of us can't look past.

Not true at all, in my case. I thought Bernardini's Preakness was outstanding. Much like Smarty's and Alex's before him. I did come to root against the horse because of the extravagance of his supporters. The comparisons should have been to Smarty and Alex, rather than annointing him horse-of-the-decade. My antipathy to him solidified when the retirement plans became clear.

The Breeder's Cup was hardly a difficult trip. Lesser horses than Bernardini have overcome much worse trips. Bernardini was exposed for what he is. A very good 3-yr-old. Probably the best 3-yr-old this year. But not a horse-for-the-ages.

--Dunbar

[Buffymommy]

Originally Posted by Dunbar

Not true at all, in my case. I thought Bernardini's Preakness was outstanding. Much like Smarty's and Alex's before him. I did come to root against the horse because of the extravagance of his supporters. The comparisons should have been to Smarty and Alex, rather than annointing him horse-of-the-decade. My antipathy to him solidified when the retirement plans became clear.

The Breeder's Cup was hardly a difficult trip. Lesser horses than Bernardini have overcome much worse trips. Bernardini was exposed for what he is. A very good 3-yr-old. Probably the best 3-yr-old this year. But not a horse-for-the-ages.

--Dunbar

Don't get me wrong, I never thought he was all that and a bag of chips. Top three year old this year? Yes. THE BEST EVER? Nah. Skippy would have kicked his azz!

[kentuckyrosesinmay]

Originally Posted by Dunbar

Not true at all, in my case. I thought Bernardini's Preakness was outstanding. Much like Smarty's and Alex's before him. I did come to root against the horse because of the extravagance of his supporters. The comparisons should have been to Smarty and Alex, rather than annointing him horse-of-the-decade. My antipathy to him solidified when the retirement plans became clear.

The Breeder's Cup was hardly a difficult trip. Lesser horses than Bernardini have overcome much worse trips. Bernardini was exposed for what he is. A very good 3-yr-old. Probably the best 3-yr-old this year. But not a horse-for-the-ages.

--Dunbar

If you have watched the horse's races critically, you would have realized by the half mile in the BCC that the horse was not on his A game.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

If you have watched the horse's races critically, you would have realized by the half mile in the BCC that the horse was not on his A game.

He was on his A game, he finally met some competition and lost to a very good horse. Do we really have to continue this ridiculousness because a few people saw greatness where it didn't actually exist and are too stubborn to admit they were wrong?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

If you have watched the horse's races critically, you would have realized by the half mile in the BCC that the horse was not on his A game.

he ran figures on par with his others this year. he ran his race. he just had better competition this time. and that made all the difference.

[letswastemoney]

3 year old grade Is shouldn't count as highly as older horse GIs

Originally Posted by letswastemoney

3 year old grade Is shouldn't count as highly as older horse GIs

Why not......

[letswastemoney]

Originally Posted by eurobounce

Why not......

Well when factoring horse of the year....you know beating up on 3 year olds is not as good as beating older horses. Not only did Invasor beat older horses more often, he beat Bernardini which renders any chance Dini had of it being classified as a better year gone. I just think BCC along with some G1s defeats Preakness with some 3 year old G1s and a short horse field JCGC.

lol I typed in Kentucky Derby by accident

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

Originally Posted by avance2000

oops. forgot the withers was a G3. that gives bern 5 to invasor's 4.
i'll still take 4 with the classic to 5 without.

you got it ..you called it congrats...dini moved to soon and invasor was game as they come..