dear bernardini fans....

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Not really necessary.Is it? These 2 horses were always close on figures,and that's what was shown today.

[avance2000]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Not really necessary.Is it?

it wouldn't have been if we hadn't been subjected to 5 months of crap from some people on here about how this was the greatest horse ever. i think if we had 400 threads on this board (which we did) about how wonderful and unbeatable this horse was, it is fair to have one which discusses the insanity of those people and their nonsense.

[blackthroatedwind]

OK, so people overrated him...that's obvious, but this silly and incorrect thread/post is just as inaccurate. First of all, Barbaro did not PROVE on the racetrack that he was a superior horse. Second of all, losing to Invasor is hardly a disgrace as that horse has proven himself this year to be a fine animal. Thirdly, anyone that can analyze a race, and believe me Invasor meant a decent amount of money to me, knows that Bernardini hardly benefited from the most well timed ride. Clearly Castellano panicked when he wasn't doing his best running on the backstretch and forced him into a premature move, which is Castellano's achilles heel, and Bernardini hardly embarrased himself from there. What we saw today were two horses running very well and putting on an exciting show...the kind we see all too infrequently.

Yes, the " he could have run much faster " comments were off base. Hopefully people will learn a lot from Bernardini's performances today and prior to today and next time they see a horse winning easily they will realize that does not necessarily translate into a much faster performance when the horse is challenged, especially if such horse is running as fast as Bernardini was in those easy wins. However, none of that diminishes Bernardini's immense talent. Ya know, actually not being as good as Secretariat is hardly a knock.

The unfortunate thing will be if we don't get to see Bernardini run next year, when he has had more time to mature, as perhaps then he could live up to at least some people's lofty expectations.

[avance2000]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

losing to Invasor is hardly a disgrace as that horse has proven himself this year to be a fine animal.
Bernardini hardly embarrased himself from there. What we saw today were two horses running very well and putting on an exciting show...the kind we see all two infrequently.
Ya know, actually not being as good as Secretariat is hardly a knock.

i agree 100% with these points, especially the point about secretariat. in fact that is my point. why couldn't they just say....bernardini is a good horse. why did the have to start comparing him to the best ever?
i am not not saying bernardini disgraced himself today. he is a good horse. nobody could deny that. i am saying that the people who have been drooling over the horse ever sense the preakness have disgraced themselves. we had to listen about how great he was for so long.....that they need to hear about how wrong they were. they probably already know it now......but they need to hear it over and over and over.......just like we did.

[blackthroatedwind]

No doubt. Bernardini was spoken of in a manner that his actual mperformances belied. I guess people WANT to see really good horses and are too quick to annoint them these days.....especially since they hardly hang around long enough to find out just how good they really are. I guess Smarty Jones is lucky to have avoided that embarrassment .

This is a very unfortunate side to early retirements and the BC reducing the number of difficult matchups. We just don't get enough chances to see how really good the top horses actually are. One thing about horse racing....NO career was or should ever be made in one day or one race.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Well,when people were telling others that hoped they played against the horse(so they could make even more,)I thought it was unjustified.Anytime you change tracks,and /or a horse's level of competition,that horse can fail.We also were seeing an increase in field size that could get some horses out of their comfort zone.There are just a lot of things that make the chances of failure more likely,and if they exist on raceday,then your chances of getting beat go up.

[Dunbar]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Well,when people were telling others that hoped they played against the horse(so they could make even more,)I thought it was unjustified.Anytime you change tracks,and /or a horse's level of competition,that horse can fail.We also were seeing an increase in field size that could get some horses out of their comfort zone.There are just a lot of things that make the chances of failure more likely,and if they exist on raceday,then your chances of getting beat go up.

Exactly. It would take a super horse to justify 1.1-1 odds against that field. (I wasn't overly impressed with the field, but it still would require a hugely dominant fav to be 1.1-1.) Bernardini had not shown enough to justify those odds.

I tried to explain that to Pillow Pants, but he only encouraged me to bet more against Bernardini. ;>)

--Dunbar

[Dunbar]

As far as the excuses for Bernardini, too bad the dini-fans here can't be as gracious as Albertrani was after the race. He simply said that Invasor was a better horse yesterday.

--Dunbar

[Bernardini]

Originally Posted by Dunbar

As far as the excuses for Bernardini, too bad the dini-fans here can't be as gracious as Albertrani was after the race. He simply said that Invasor was a better horse yesterday.

--Dunbar

Im a huge dini fan, but no excuses, none!!! bad ride, bad post none of that.. he just got beat by a better horse

[Betsy]

Originally Posted by Dunbar

As far as the excuses for Bernardini, too bad the dini-fans here can't be as gracious as Albertrani was after the race. He simply said that Invasor was a better horse yesterday.

--Dunbar

The only people I see being ungracious are those who start threads like this trying to taunt Bernardini fans (cause now he's a nag). On the other hand, I haven't seen one post from a Bernardini supporter that has not given credit to Invasor......

[LARHAGE]

Originally Posted by avance2000

i agree 100% with these points, especially the point about secretariat. in fact that is my point. why couldn't they just say....bernardini is a good horse. why did the have to start comparing him to the best ever?
i am not not saying bernardini disgraced himself today. he is a good horse. nobody could deny that. i am saying that the people who have been drooling over the horse ever sense the preakness have disgraced themselves. we had to listen about how great he was for so long.....that they need to hear about how wrong they were. they probably already know it now......but they need to hear it over and over and over.......just like we did.

I have news for you, since the beginning of time the whole premise of horseracing was the opinion that ones horse was faster than another, and as someone who actually was a fan during the Scretariat, Seattle Slew and Affirmed eras there were fans like you, saying that people were crazy to be excited about a Bold Ruler running a distance, a crooked legged cheap horse winning the Crown etc... It's simple human nature to knock success, we don't know what the future holds for Bernardini, who's to say if he races next year that he doesn't fullfill the expectations of many, at the comparable stages of their careers Bernardini has been far more impressive than say Forego, who I would think no one could argue with his greatness, no?

[Betsy]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

OK, so people overrated him...that's obvious, but this silly and incorrect thread/post is just as inaccurate. First of all, Barbaro did not PROVE on the racetrack that he was a superior horse. Second of all, losing to Invasor is hardly a disgrace as that horse has proven himself this year to be a fine animal. Thirdly, anyone that can analyze a race, and believe me Invasor meant a decent amount of money to me, knows that Bernardini hardly benefited from the most well timed ride. Clearly Castellano panicked when he wasn't doing his best running on the backstretch and forced him into a premature move, which is Castellano's achilles heel, and Bernardini hardly embarrased himself from there. What we saw today were two horses running very well and putting on an exciting show...the kind we see all too infrequently.

Yes, the " he could have run much faster " comments were off base. Hopefully people will learn a lot from Bernardini's performances today and prior to today and next time they see a horse winning easily they will realize that does not necessarily translate into a much faster performance when the horse is challenged, especially if such horse is running as fast as Bernardini was in those easy wins. However, none of that diminishes Bernardini's immense talent. Ya know, actually not being as good as Secretariat is hardly a knock.

The unfortunate thing will be if we don't get to see Bernardini run next year, when he has had more time to mature, as perhaps then he could live up to at least some people's lofty expectations.

Great post - I had posted that I thought this colt was truly special (I never said he was a great horse just yet - "great" is a word that is thrown around too lightly and when it is, it diminishes the true meaning - but I thought that Bernardini had the potential to be a great horse, which was just as important to me.) and I still believe it. I was definitely guilty of underrating Invasor - he's a very, very good horse.

Although I'm still very disappointed, I know that Bernardini tried his best and that's all I can ask. I truly hope that the Sheikh will change his mind and allow him to run next year- the leap in maturity from 3 to 4 is great and Bernardini would be even better as an older horse. This race probably did him a world of good mentally........

[LARHAGE]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

OK, so people overrated him...that's obvious, but this silly and incorrect thread/post is just as inaccurate. First of all, Barbaro did not PROVE on the racetrack that he was a superior horse. Second of all, losing to Invasor is hardly a disgrace as that horse has proven himself this year to be a fine animal. Thirdly, anyone that can analyze a race, and believe me Invasor meant a decent amount of money to me, knows that Bernardini hardly benefited from the most well timed ride. Clearly Castellano panicked when he wasn't doing his best running on the backstretch and forced him into a premature move, which is Castellano's achilles heel, and Bernardini hardly embarrased himself from there. What we saw today were two horses running very well and putting on an exciting show...the kind we see all too infrequently.

Yes, the " he could have run much faster " comments were off base. Hopefully people will learn a lot from Bernardini's performances today and prior to today and next time they see a horse winning easily they will realize that does not necessarily translate into a much faster performance when the horse is challenged, especially if such horse is running as fast as Bernardini was in those easy wins. However, none of that diminishes Bernardini's immense talent. Ya know, actually not being as good as Secretariat is hardly a knock.

The unfortunate thing will be if we don't get to see Bernardini run next year, when he has had more time to mature, as perhaps then he could live up to at least some people's lofty expectations.

Great post! I'm also glad you said the same thing I thought, Castellano moved too early, Bernardini still almost overcame that and I agree he will benefit ( hopefully) from the experience next year.