When "Neighborhood Watch" Gets Out of Hand

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by Riot

Unfortunately for Trayvon, his aggressor carried a Glock 9mm with the safety off and a round in the chamber, and shot him dead.

Glocks do not have "safeties", no guns really have safeties other than the holder. Carrying a weapon without a chambered round is as useless as not carrying a weapon at all.

[Danzig]

and all a safety does on a gun is keep the trigger from being pulled. guns can and have gone off with a safety on...that's why they teach muzzle control, as that's the only real way to keep from shooting something you don't want to shoot.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Danzig

and all a safety does on a gun is keep the trigger from being pulled. guns can and have gone off with a safety on...that's why they teach muzzle control, as that's the only real way to keep from shooting something you don't want to shoot.

The safety on my 9mm and .45 does not prevent the trigger from being pulled but rather disengages the hammer action. Neither will or can fire with safety on though you can pull the trigger on both.

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

The safety on my 9mm and .45 does not prevent the trigger from being pulled but rather disengages the hammer action. Neither will or can fire with safety on though you can pull the trigger on both.

What pistols are you using?

[OldDog]

If I'd have had a son 50 years ago, he'd have looked just like this victim.

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/...vits-crimeline

Will any "activists" be tweeting the addresses of Bender and Israel's parents?

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by OldDog

If I'd have had a son 50 years ago, he'd have looked just like this victim.

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/...vits-crimeline

Will any "activists" be tweeting the addresses of Bender and Israel's parents?

Carjacked and nearly (possibly) killed a guy to drive his car a half mile. This is a hate crime, too bad the gentleman driving the SUV was unarmed.

[Dahoss]

This entire thing has played out like a South Park episode and really speaks to why I hate politics.

The left sucks and the right sucks.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

The safety on my 9mm and .45 does not prevent the trigger from being pulled but rather disengages the hammer action. Neither will or can fire with safety on though you can pull the trigger on both.

i'll have to take a look, but i'm pretty sure my .45/.410 taurus judge has a safety that prevents trigger pull.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

Glocks do not have "safeties", no guns really have safeties other than the holder. Carrying a weapon without a chambered round is as useless as not carrying a weapon at all.

"Guns don't shoot people, people shoot people". Sure.

Yeah. Carrying his Glock with the safety off and a round chambered was exactly what unstable citizen vigilantes shouldn't be doing. Maybe Zimmerman ought to be lecturing police departments how to really carry their weapons?

I think the gun was brought out by Zimmerman, but it accidentally discharged. I think he had it pointed at the kid, but he didn't mean to fire it.

We'll see.

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by Riot

"Guns don't shoot people, people shoot people". Sure.

Yeah. Carrying his Glock with the safety off and a round chambered was exactly what unstable citizen vigilantes shouldn't be doing. Maybe Zimmerman ought to be lecturing police departments how to really carry their weapons?

I think the gun was brought out by Zimmerman, but it accidentally discharged. I think he had it pointed at the kid, but he didn't mean to fire it.

We'll see.

I am not kidding, Glocks do not have any safety at all, like some other pistols do have a mechanism that is meant to prevent accidental discharge but in no way is meant to make the weapon safe.
If they were indeed fighting, Zimmerman having the gun on him makes it life and death automatically. He doesn't know what happens if Trayvon gets the gun so he pulls it, potentially freaks out and shoots him. Has there been any report on the distance from which the shot was fired, I have not seen that anywhere?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

I am not kidding, Glocks do not have any safety at all, like some other pistols do have a mechanism that is meant to prevent accidental discharge but in no way is meant to make the weapon safe.
If they were indeed fighting, Zimmerman having the gun on him makes it life and death automatically. He doesn't know what happens if Trayvon gets the gun so he pulls it, potentially freaks out and shoots him. Has there been any report on the distance from which the shot was fired, I have not seen that anywhere?

I haven't held a Glock since I was dating cops in the 1980's and they'd take you to a shooting range for a date but are you sure about that?

There is an official autopsy report, but that's the one thing that hasn't been leaked yet. All I have heard in the media was that he was shot in the chest, and fell forward on his arm. Yet other people, witnesses, were apparently around as Zimmerman got up off Trayvon, and saw Zimmerman put his hand up on his forehead as if, "what have I done!?" ... but alot of variance in what different alleged witnesses have said publicly about what went down.

Witnesses, unfortunately, are notoriously bad at objectively actually seeing what happened (for example, their true and accurate self-recollections will vary widely from a security videotape)

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by Riot

I haven't held a Glock since I was dating cops in the 1980's and they'd take you to a shooting range for a date but are you sure about that?

There is an official autopsy report, but that's the one thing that hasn't been leaked yet. All I have heard in the media was that he was shot in the chest, and fell forward on his arm. Yet other people, witnesses, were apparently around as Zimmerman got up off Trayvon, and saw Zimmerman put his hand up on his forehead as if, "what have I done!?" ... but alot of variance in what different alleged witnesses have said publicly about what went down.

Witnesses, unfortunately, are notoriously bad at objectively actually seeing what happened (for example, their true and accurate self-recollections will vary widely from a security videotape)

Called a safe action trigger mech, only prevents firing from being dropped etc. finger on the trigger gun fires.
Curious on the distance of the shot though if he was able to fall forward and not get blood on Zimmerman I have to assume he was clear of him and not on top.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

Called a safe action trigger mech, only prevents firing from being dropped etc. finger on the trigger gun fires.
Curious on the distance of the shot though if he was able to fall forward and not get blood on Zimmerman I have to assume he was clear of him and not on top.

Another reason the family was so incensed at the police department, what type of real forensics on what went down were done? They say little to none, only Zimmerman's story was listened to (and lead investigator didn't believe him and wanted him charged) and that's their original beef with the police department, why they went around the PD to the congresswoman and the feds in the first place.