OUTRAGUS government overreach by FDA! - Page 2

Riot · #1 03-26-2012, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

Your original statement, though, was that the rise in superbugs was entirely due to overprescription by pediatricians to children, because their parents demanded it.

Which is indeed a silly statement, with zero basis in physiology.

Clip-Clop · #2 03-26-2012, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

Your original statement, though, was that the rise in superbugs was entirely due to overprescription by pediatricians to children, because their parents demanded it. That's what I was challenging. I don't disagree that overuse and misuse are a problem; I just think the blame falls more on adult misuse, both here and overseas (where there is a real lack of regulation) than on pediatricians and demanding parents. Mind you, I'm a sample size of one, but my toddler's totally awesome doc won't prescribe unless necessary. He just got through a bout with hand foot mouth disease and treatment was Motrin and popsicles.

For what it's worth, misuse in livestock is also considered a cause:

http://www.foodsafetynews.com/2012/0...l-antibiotics/

And it's not just a case of it's in what you consume from the animal; the antibiotics also end up in our soil and water supply because they're excreted in the animal waste and many states don't exactly have strong regulations about the disposal of the massive amounts of waste the factory farms produce.

Thanks also for posting a link to an article on the importance of vaccination. The anti-vax movement seems to be one of the few where one can genuinely say, "both sides do it" as I know both libs and cons who have no problem taking health care advice from a former Playboy Playmate.

Despite never using the word entirely, nothing in medicine has any singular root cause that can be explained away so easily, I know doc's that repeatedly claim that patients do come in and 'demand' to be given anti, no matter what. It is nice to hear you have a logical Dr. that actually does their work. Interesting theory on the waste disposal, had not thought of that...
I do miss Jenny and all her nonsense during the vax terror years.

Clip-Clop · #3 03-26-2012, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

The creation of superbugs is due to parents racing their kids to the Dr. every time they sneeze and accepting (read demanding) antibiotics for them. They have all but eliminated normal herd immunity. It isn't because of digested antibiotics that are remaining in food that has been slaughtered, bled, aged (chem or other) then cooked.
You are a vet, how long does an orally ingested antibiotic remain in the intramuscular system of a cow?

Please show me the use of the words solely or entirely as I stand accused. Please continue to argue the way you always do and prove everyone correct.

Riot · #4 03-26-2012, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

Please show me the use of the words solely or entirely as I stand accused. Please continue to argue the way you always do and prove everyone correct.

Stop speaking as an expert on medical things of which you are obviously uneducated.

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The creation of superbugs is due to parents racing their kids to the Dr. every time they sneeze and accepting (read demanding) antibiotics for them. They have all but eliminated normal herd immunity.
It isn't because of digested antibiotics that are remaining in food that has been slaughtered, bled, aged (chem or other) then cooked.

Please - based upon the above sound bites of ignorance, don't give medical advice. Your superficial and shallow 4th-grade-level, newspaper-article understanding of pharmacology, physiology and medicine is apparent.

Clip-Clop · #5 03-26-2012, 01:44 PM

This is OUTRAGUS!!!
How dare you question my knowledge, you know nothing of my education or background.

Antitrust32 · #6 03-26-2012, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

This is OUTRAGUS!!!
How dare you question my knowledge, you know nothing of my education or background.

the bitch neuters and spays dogs but somehow acts like she's a doctor of HUMANS.

#7 03-23-2012, 06:12 PM

Aspartame, wood pulp and msg still ok. Got it

pointman · #8 03-23-2012, 06:20 PM

This is not nearly as outrageous as the government attempt to overreach by expanding the commerce clause to penalize people for not doing something, specifically, not purchasing health insurance.

Riot · #9 03-23-2012, 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by pointman

This is not nearly as outrageous as the government attempt to overreach by expanding the commerce clause to penalize people for not doing something, specifically, not purchasing health insurance.

No. sh.iat. two ultra-conservative long time district judges upheld it as constitutional? are they crazy? the republicans who came up with this moronic 'everybody has to be self-responsible for their own healthcare by purchasing insurance" baloney was crazy 20 years ago when they thought it up. and are still crazy now thinking this is a good idea.

pointman · #10 03-23-2012, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot

No. sh.iat. two ultra-conservative long time district judges upheld it as constitutional? are they crazy? the republicans who came up with this moronic 'everybody has to be self-responsible for their own healthcare by purchasing insurance" baloney was crazy 20 years ago when they thought it up. and are still crazy now thinking this is a good idea.

You can put whatever crazy illogical spin you want on it, as you incessantly do here. It is unconstitutional.