A Case of Why WI Voters Should Show ID

[Riot]

Hardly any "Mollies" out there at all, according to reality.

I mean, other than the Republican Party altering vote counts during this primary season - geesh, it's not even being covered up any more!

Face it: the ALEC - Republican voting disinfranchisement laws are trying to be passed only to decrease the number of voters that usually tend to vote Democratic.

Same reason Congressional Republicans defunded ACORN based upon lies and altered videotape from James O'Keefe, Breitbart's hire.

STUDY: Feds Prosecuted Only 38 Cases Of Voter Fraud Between 2002-05, 14 Were Thrown Out
By ThinkProgress on May 16, 2007 at 9:52 am

In today’s Washington Post, columnist Harold Meyerson highlights a little-noted study on the politics of voting fraud published in March by Lorraine Minnite, a political science professor at Columbia University, for a group called Project Vote. The study “makes unmistakably clear” that “the government’s failure to prosecute or convict more than a handful of people for voter fraud isn’t for lack of trying.”

Since 2002, the Justice Department’s Ballot Access and Voting Integrity Initiative has, as Gonzales put it, “made enforcement of election fraud and corruption offenses a top priority.” And yet between October 2002 and September 2005, just 38 cases were brought nationally, and of those, 14 ended in dismissals or acquittals, 11 in guilty pleas, and 13 in convictions.

Though a Justice Department manual on election crime states that these cases “may present an easier means of obtaining convictions than do other forms of public corruption,” federal attorneys have failed to rack up those convictions, for the simple reason that incidents of fraud have been few and far between.

As the Republican Myth has it, nothing is more fraught with fraud than voter-registration campaigns waged in working-class and poor neighborhoods that are largely black or Hispanic. According to the 2004 Census, 15 percent of blacks and Hispanics were registered during such campaigns; the figure for whites is just 9 percent. But of those 38 prosecutions that the Justice Department brought between 2002 and 2005, a grand total of two were for fabricating or falsifying voter registration applications. This qualifies as one of our smaller crime waves.

Here’s a chart from the study:
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Given these figures, the Justice Department’s intense focus on voter fraud is hard to explain. Yet, as Meyerson notes, from Karl Rove’s perspective, “a crackdown on voter registration campaigns in minority communities made cold electoral sense.” In close races, a key plank of his strategy “was to suppress black and Hispanic turnout — a task that would become far easier if the airwaves were buzzing with news of voter-fraud indictments. It was a task that required federal prosecutors who would indict first and ask questions later.”

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

Hardly any "Mollies" out there at all, according to reality.

You wouldn't know reality if it clubbed you in the face!

[bigrun]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

You wouldn't know reality if it clubbed you in the face!

That's mean!!

[Riot]

Originally Posted by bigrun

That's mean!!

Naw. It's ignorant, childish and stupid. Like Limbaugh Dell won't or can't address the actual numbered incidences of voter fraud, so he has to call names instead.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

Naw. It's ignorant, childish and stupid. Like Limbaugh Dell won't or can't address the actual numbered incidences of voter fraud, so he has to call names instead.

One is too many cases! I addressed an incident; you post 38 prosecutions, most thrown out, call me Limbaugh and in one of your patented distorted breaks from reality accuse me of calling you a name?

Why is it that Democrats have a problem showing ID?

Is it related to wanting everything for free, no questions asked?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

One is too many cases! I addressed an incident; you post 38 prosecutions, most thrown out, call me Limbaugh and in one of your patented distorted breaks from reality accuse me of calling you a name?

Why is it that Democrats have a problem showing ID?

Is it related to wanting everything for free, no questions asked?

Nearly all of the few cases of voter fraud in this country are not correctable by showing a photo ID (most cases are done by election officials).

It's a lie that there is "massive voter fraud" and we "need" voter ID. For 34 REPUBLICAN states to suddenly think that's needed before the 2012 election? When there is virtually zero history of ID-correctable fraud in this country?

Wake up and smell the Koch Brothers, ALEC and the Republican Party attempting to take back power. For goodness sakes, Dell, they have SAID that is the reason they are pushing voter ID for 2012.

Nobody has a problem with "showing ID". It's the methods. Like requiring voter ID, then closing down DMV offices where it's obtained in poor neighborhoods of northern Wisconsin - so elderly and poor would have to drive 60 plus miles to obtain it.

Like Texas making photo student ID's (young students tend to vote Democratic) not good enough, but photo gun registration cards (tend to vote Republican) okay.

If you pretend to be libertarian, concern about people disinfranchising up to 5 million voters in the next election should really worry you.

It is estimated that 1 in 5 black/brown people do not drive, or have the necessary photo ID. As opposed to 1 in 10 white people. THAT is the point of this. The Republican Party knows which way the demographics are trending over the next 20 years, and whites will be the minority quickly.

The Justice Department is all over this, as is their responsibility defending the rights of US citizens, and implementation of restrictive laws have frozen many of these states.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

One is too many cases! I addressed an incident; you post 38 prosecutions, most thrown out, call me Limbaugh and in one of your patented distorted breaks from reality accuse me of calling you a name?

Why is it that Democrats have a problem showing ID?

Is it related to wanting everything for free, no questions asked?

no, doesn't have to do with free. democrats don't want id to be shown because it would be their segment of supporters that might be affected.

so, if there was a poll to show it would affect traditionally republican voters, dems would want it yesterday. you know, not because it's the right thing to do. or that it's logical. it all has to do with how it would affect elections.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Danzig

no, doesn't have to do with free. democrats don't want id to be shown because it would be their segment of supporters that might be affected.

That is precisely correct. Voter ID laws that target restriction of voting rights to one specific segment of the population are illegal.

That's why North or South (I can't remember) Carolina's voting law changes were immediately halted by the Justice Department. Clearly restrictive against a particular segment of the population: black voters.