conservatives vs women

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Originally Posted by dellinger63

Until someone finds situations where women are receiving abortions without pregnancy the requirement for an ultra-sound is most definitely an attack on women’s rights. Women seeking abortion certainly know their pregnant and don't require a needless test.

Plain and simple, some women find abortion the equivalent of murder and that’s their right. Conversely, some find it a mere inconvenience and that’s their right. Most women, of course fall somewhere in between.

However requiring a religion to provide something that goes against their doctrine is wrong. Separation of Church and State goes both ways and I believe the State is most definitely interfering with the Church in regards to the contraceptive requirement.
******** I think you'd have a point here if it weren't for the fact that many states already have similar requirements in place that the church has signed off on. Also, it's not an attack on the freedom of religion. The church maintains all it's abilities and freedoms-it just can't dictate those rules and regs to employees in hospitals and other church-owned facilities. after all, if you go down that road, any employer could choose to not cover certain illnesses if he claimed religious reasons. then where does it end??


A simple solution would be to require all insurance companies to offer women of childbearing age health insurance with or without contraceptive protection coverage, with zero co-pay. Then let women make a decision individually. This would include women working for church related entities. Their rights individually are supreme to any church doctrine IMO.
******* This is already what obama had backtracked to-putting the onus on the insurance companies to provide it in their package. the church is still up in arms tho.
If we are to believe the President; choosing the contraception coverage should be cheaper to purchase then opting out since we’ve been told insurance companies would provide it free, as it’s a net money saver. I choose not to believe the president but should he be right the Catholic church would actually be on the hook for more money than say a private corporation making a blanket decision to accept the contraception/abortion clause irregardless of their female employees individual choices.

Ultimately what a woman chooses should be of no concern and require no involvement from anyone, government included. The government needs to protect the legal right to abortion and contraception not to provide it.

For those still inclined to believe the government is not overstepping its bounds I ask you this. Do you want to open the door to government requiring property insurance? Whether it be renters’ or homeowners’ with say a gun clause? Since it could be argued a firearm in the house/apartment is a superb theft deterrent, especially in poorer areas, insurance companies would provide a firearm with each policy for free. Federal law protects American women’s right to contraception and abortion, the Federal Constitution protects the right to own and bear arms for all Americans, men and women.

Bottom line is the government should stick to governing. Let Dr.’s and hospitals provide the healthcare and their individual patients, employers or insurance companies pay for it. Just as it should not be requiring insurance companies to provide guns it should not be requiring them to provide free contraceptives. A woman’s right to abortion and contraception is absolute. It being free is not.

BTW The President has been recently reciting ‘be thy brother’s keeper’. That’s fine and dandy for him personally as a religious minded individual but it has obviously infiltrated and influenced decisions he has made administratively as president, including the GM bailout, and doing so has molested the Constitution’s dictation of separation of Church and State.

Recently, the a$$hole known as Rick Santorium treated us to a old JFK campaign speech where he said, in essence, if his (JFK’s) religion ever got in the way of making a Presidential decision he would then resign.

Too bad this President is no JFK.

Rick Santorum has already said he wants the SCOTUS to overturn their ruling that legalized contraception. i shudder to think how many kids i'd have if BC wasn't available. hell, i'd still be having them at 44. it's scary that pols still want to fight this battle, or that others support his thinking. luckily, not enough for him to get into office!