Charles Town Spill -- 7 of 8 horses DNF.

#1 03-01-2012, 08:45 AM

They don't call him Scooter for nothin.

Danzig · #2 03-01-2012, 09:12 AM

what i don't understand is how it wasn't declared no contest.

cmorioles · #3 03-01-2012, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Danzig

what i don't understand is how it wasn't declared no contest.

Easy, money.

Danzig · #4 03-01-2012, 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by cmorioles

Easy, money.

so the lost takeout would be higher than purse money and winning wagers paid? well, i guess it must be if that's what they did.
probably explains the half hour inquiry, they were crunching numbers.

MaTH716 · #5 03-01-2012, 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by cmorioles

Easy, money.

What happens to the purse money for 2nd, 3rd, etc....?

cmorioles · #6 03-01-2012, 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by MaTH716

What happens to the purse money for 2nd, 3rd, etc....?

The chart indicates it was paid to the winner. I'm not sure that is right, I thought usually it just reverts back to the purse fund. Who knows what they do at CT though?

Cannon Shell · #7 03-01-2012, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by cmorioles

The chart indicates it was paid to the winner. I'm not sure that is right, I thought usually it just reverts back to the purse fund. Who knows what they do at CT though?

Most places pay all to the winner

Way back when when I was at Yonkers we had a similar race where only 1 horse finished. The horse had broke stride and was way behind and kind of weaved his way through the carnage to cross the wire.

cmorioles · #8 03-01-2012, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Most places pay all to the winner

Way back when when I was at Yonkers we had a similar race where only 1 horse finished. The horse had broke stride and was way behind and kind of weaved his way through the carnage to cross the wire.

I know Aqueduct had a race where two horses finished and the money reverted back, 2009.

dagolfer33 · #9 03-01-2012, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Danzig

what i don't understand is how it wasn't declared no contest.

I saw this happen live last night, and since Doug admitted to betting on the race I will admit it as well.

How is this not stealing from the bettors? I can understand WPS payouts, but EX- TRI- SF bets should be refunded in this case. ALL PLAYERS get screwed and the track gets over on people?????

Cannon Shell · #10 03-01-2012, 11:10 AM

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I saw this happen live last night, and since Doug admitted to betting on the race I will admit it as well.

How is this not stealing from the bettors? I can understand WPS payouts, but EX- TRI- SF bets should be refunded in this case. ALL PLAYERS get screwed and the track gets over on people?????

Once the horses leave the gate unless there is some sort of track malfunction (gate stuck on track, lights go off, etc.) the horses are declared starters. If it had been a claiming race and there was a claim it would have been valid as well.

Bigsmc · #11 03-01-2012, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Danzig

what i don't understand is how it wasn't declared no contest.

Why would it be? Because of excessive non finishers? Where do you draw the line? When a horse breaks down and two or three others fall over him and lose jocks, nobody says those races should be no contests. Now, seven don't finish and its should be a no contest?

I don't get it.

robfla · #12 03-01-2012, 10:33 AM

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Why would it be? Because of excessive non finishers? Where do you draw the line? When a horse breaks down and two or three others fall over him and lose jocks, nobody says those races should be no contests. Now, seven don't finish and its should be a no contest?

I don't get it.

I believe some states have rules on how many starters must finish in order for it to be an official race

NTamm1215 · #13 03-01-2012, 10:41 AM

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I believe some states have rules on how many starters must finish in order for it to be an official race

Exactly. I think it's 50% in California.

Bigsmc · #14 03-01-2012, 11:08 AM

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I believe some states have rules on how many starters must finish in order for it to be an official race

I posted on the assumption that if they had such a rule (or did not have one), that they followed it.

Danzig · #15 03-01-2012, 11:44 AM

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I believe some states have rules on how many starters must finish in order for it to be an official race

that's what i thought too, which is why i asked. perhaps they had no rule, which is what caused the long wait...and perhaps there will be a rule spelled out in future there. it's not as tho every possible scenario is thought of beforehand to produce a rule.

#16 03-01-2012, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig

what i don't understand is how it wasn't declared no contest.

There are different rules in various jurisdictions. Here's what we use in California

1544. Calling off Race.
(a) If the stewards determine a race cannot start before midnight or cannot be conducted in accordance with the Board’s rules and regulations, they shall cancel and call off such race.
(b) The stewards may declare a race no contest if mechanical failure or interference during the running of the race affects the majority of horses in such race.
(c) Any wagers on races called off, canceled, or declared no contest shall be refunded, and no purse, prize or stakes shall be awarded.
(d) If a race is called off, canceled, or declared no contest, any submitted claims shall be void.
(e) A race shall be canceled if no horse covers the course.