Tyler Baze - put the whiskey down, son

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by v j stauffer

Coming to my defense over internet drivel and not knowing what the entire worldwide medical community now agree upon is two very different things.

"You just have to make up your mind" Good chance those are the 8 most assinine words ever posted on any message board about any subject.

Unbelieveable!

i'm pretty sure that i've heard people say many times that there are people who have to hit rock bottom before they realize that's where they'd been headed all along, and then decide to do something about it. that's what i meant by 'you have to make up your mind'. sadly, not everyone hits rock bottom and is able to pull themselves back up. some shoot right thru the bottom.
forgive my being so asinine; make no mistake, i do hope tyler is able to pull himself out of his mess. it always boggles my mind when people waste their life.

tyler's in a bad spot, and i do hope he gets out of it.

[Honu]

My brother died in 2005 from drinking, he couldnt stop, not mentally or physically. My birth father is also an alcoholic as well as another brother who if it wasnt that he was incarcirated for 12 years would most likely be dead as well. For some reason my oldest brother and I are not like the other two in that we can drink but its not like it is or was with the other two.

[GPK]

Originally Posted by Honu

My brother died in 2005 from drinking, he couldnt stop, not mentally or physically. My birth father is also an alcoholic as well as another brother who if it wasnt that he was incarcirated for 12 years would most likely be dead as well. For some reason my oldest brother and I are not like the other two in that we can drink but its not like it is or was with the other two.

My oldest brother and I are a lot alike. Before I got sober, we could go toe to toe, drink for drink. My brother that just passed away, the most alcohol he ever had in one setting was 7 beers and my sister is the same way as him, she can take it or leave it. Neither of my parents drink.

[pba1817]

Alcoholism is not a disease, it is a choice.

[Honu]

Originally Posted by pba1817

Alcoholism is not a disease, it is a choice.

Science may disagree with you.

[GenuineRisk]

Not recognizing alcoholism as a disease is like assuming that the mentally ill just need to "snap out of it."

Defined:

In a 1992 JAMA article, the Joint Committee of the National Council on Alcoholism and Drug Dependence, Inc. (NCADD) and the American Society of Addiction Medicine (ASAM) published this definition for alcoholism:
“Alcoholism is a primary chronic disease with genetic, psychosocial and environmental factors influencing its development and manifestations. The disease is often progressive and fatal. It is characterized by impaired control over drinking, preoccupation with the drug alcohol, use of alcohol despite adverse consequences, and distortions in thinking, mostly denial. Each of these symptoms may be continuous or periodic.”

There's a reason alcoholics who have stopped drinking are called "recovering." it's because they'll never be "cured." They won't ever be able to drink as someone who is not alcoholic can drink. It's a disease.

My father is drinking himself to death. It's an awful thing to watch. And I spent years angry about it. But, for whatever reason, I was spared the addictive need for alcohol my dad has. Which means I can't ever understand what's going on in his head. I can't judge, because I will never truly understand.

I need a drink.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

Not recognizing alcoholism as a disease is like assuming that the mentally ill just need to "snap out of it."

Defined:

In a 1992 JAMA article, the Joint Committee of the National Council on Alcoholism and Drug Dependence, Inc. (NCADD) and the American Society of Addiction Medicine (ASAM) published this definition for alcoholism:
“Alcoholism is a primary chronic disease with genetic, psychosocial and environmental factors influencing its development and manifestations. The disease is often progressive and fatal. It is characterized by impaired control over drinking, preoccupation with the drug alcohol, use of alcohol despite adverse consequences, and distortions in thinking, mostly denial. Each of these symptoms may be continuous or periodic.”

There's a reason alcoholics who have stopped drinking are called "recovering." it's because they'll never be "cured." They won't ever be able to drink as someone who is not alcoholic can drink. It's a disease.

My father is drinking himself to death. It's an awful thing to watch. And I spent years angry about it. But, for whatever reason, I was spared the addictive need for alcohol my dad has. Which means I can't ever understand what's going on in his head. I can't judge, because I will never truly understand.

'Many physicians reject the disease theory of alcoholism. One study found that only 20 percent of physicians believe that substance addiction is a disease. In addition, 55 percent believe that there is "no effective treatment" for it.(T. McLellan. R-Considering Addiction Treatment: How Can Treatment Be More Accountable And Effective? A Continuing Medical Education (CME)Course. Cranston, Rhode Island, Association for Medical Education and Research on Substance Abuse, 2006.)

Another study found that only 25 percent of physicians believed that alcoholism is a disease. The majority believed alcoholism to be a social or psychological problem instead of a disease. (S.I. Mignon. Physicians' Perceptions of Alcoholics: The Disease Concept Reconsidered. Alcoholism Treatment Quarterly, 1996, v. 14, no. 4, pp. 33–45)

A survey of physicians at an annual conference of the International Doctors in Alcoholics Anonymous reported that 80 percent believe that alcoholism is merely bad behavior instead of a disease. (Barrier to Treatment. Alcoholmd - Information About Alcohol and Medicine)

Dr. Thomas R. Hobbs says that "Based on my experiences working in the addiction field for the past 10 years, I believe many, if not most, health care professionals still view alcohol addiction as a willpower or conduct problem and are resistant to look at it as a disease." (T.R. Hobbs. Managing Alcoholism as a Disease. Physician's News Digest, 1998.)

Alcoholics Anonymous says that "Some professionals will tell you that alcoholism is a disease while others contend that it is a choice" and "some doctors will tell you that it is in fact a disease." (Alcoholics Anonymous. What Is Alcoholism? http://www.alcoholics-anonymous.com/...alcoholism.htm)[42]'

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disease..._of_alcoholism


not trying to change minds here at all. just want to show that it's not a clearcut decision amongst physicians. which probably explains why some of us aren't sure it's so clear cut either.

Originally Posted by pba1817

Alcoholism is not a disease, it is a choice.

Simply not true.

[pba1817]

For those of you who do believe alcoholism is a disease and not a choice, where do you draw the line?

Is gambling a disease? Is smoking a disease? Is drug abuse a disease? Is being obese a disease? Is masturbation a disease? Is being religious a disease? Is picking boogers a disease? Is bad driving a disease? Is doing any activity that may cause you, your family, or society pain, a disease?

The list could be endless....

Our society has become so co-dependent in virtually every aspect of our lives that NO ONE takes responsibility for their own choices and actions.

It is pretty sickening.

[GPK]

Originally Posted by pba1817

For those of you who do believe alcoholism is a disease and not a choice, where do you draw the line?

Is gambling a disease? Is smoking a disease? Is drug abuse a disease? Is being obese a disease? Is masturbation a disease? Is being religious a disease? Is picking boogers a disease? Is bad driving a disease? Is doing any activity that may cause you, your family, or society pain, a disease?

The list could be endless....

Our society has become so co-dependent in virtually every aspect of our lives that NO ONE takes responsibility for their own choices and actions.

It is pretty sickening.

You think alcoholism is a choice? You think someone would choose to be an alcoholic?