Ted Haggard

[Rupert Pupkin]

Just because a guy is gay, it doesn't mean he has to be in favor of gay marriage. LOL.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

Just because a guy is gay, it doesn't mean he has to be in favor of gay marriage. LOL.

oh, good point! hell, lots of heterosexuals are very much against marriage!!

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Danzig188

oh, good point! hell, lots of heterosexuals are very much against marriage!!

He never said he was against being gay. He only said he was against gay marriage. Where is the hypocrisy? LOL.

[Downthestretch55]

Originally Posted by Danzig188

oh, good point! hell, lots of heterosexuals are very much against marriage!!

Danzig,
I really have nothing against gay people.
They deserve the same rights as everyone.
The problem that I have with all of this is that if it hypocrites are found by their own admissions, then they deserve their own consequences.
I'll pray for Haggert's wife and five kids.
I'll also include my position on this entire mess, "Judge not lest ye be judged."
Obviously, Rupert didn't read Esther 7:9, 10. The very gallows that he prepared for Mordechai were the ones that he was hanged from.
The irony, whether it was Foley's protecting children from internet porn, or Haggert's position with the 30 million evangelicals he lead in his crusade against gay marriage, or Gdubb's attempt to impose "democracy" on people that he invaded..wasted countless lives, many maimed, and an occupation that is doomed despite all claims of "victory", staying the course, "flexibility"...
on and on...
These times are crazy. Those "straw men" that became compost are only that.
Some continue to believe in them. For sure, they're entitled to that.
Just do me a favor. Spare me the gallows that I didn't construct for others to be hanged from.
DTS

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Downthestretch55

Danzig,
I really have nothing against gay people.
They deserve the same rights as everyone.
The problem that I have with all of this is that if it hypocrites are found by their own admissions, then they deserve their own consequences.
I'll pray for Haggert's wife and five kids.
I'll also include my position on this entire mess, "Judge not lest ye be judged."
Obviously, Rupert didn't read Esther 7:9, 10. The very gallows that he prepared for Mordechai were the ones that he was hanged from.
The irony, whether it was Foley's protecting children from internet porn, or Haggert's position with the 30 million evangelicals he lead in his crusade against gay marriage, or Gdubb's attempt to impose "democracy" on people that he invaded..wasted countless lives, many maimed, and an occupation that is doomed despite all claims of "victory", staying the course, "flexibility"...
on and on...
These times are crazy. Those "straw men" that became compost are only that.
Some continue to believe in them. For sure, they're entitled to that.
Just do me a favor. Spare me the gallows that I didn't construct for others to be hanged from.
DTS

i don't have anything against them either, and believe all rights should be for ALL people.

and yeah, live by the sword, die by the sword--fits here...
as for the war in iraq, i don't see the comparison--and if memory serves, congress backed up the original decision. of course a lot of people want us to forget that they voted in favor of that decision, now that things are looking bleak.

[Downthestretch55]

Originally Posted by Danzig188

i don't have anything against them either, and believe all rights should be for ALL people.

and yeah, live by the sword, die by the sword--fits here...
as for the war in iraq, i don't see the comparison--and if memory serves, congress backed up the original decision. of course a lot of people want us to forget that they voted in favor of that decision, now that things are looking bleak.

Danzig,
I agree with most of what you said.
I don't agree that congress made an "informed decision". They were fed deceptive information about wmd's by a CIA and other "intelligence" agencies to substantiate a decision that had already been made.
Note Powell's presentation to the uN and Bush's "State of the Union Address".
Lies bite back.
As it is written, "All things will be revealed".

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Downthestretch55

Danzig,
I agree with most of what you said.
I don't agree that congress made an "informed decision". They were fed deceptive information about wmd's by a CIA and other "intelligence" agencies to substantiate a decision that had already been made.
Note Powell's presentation to the uN and Bush's "State of the Union Address".
Lies bite back.
As it is written, "All things will be revealed".

and yet many still support bush, the war effort. lieberman for one was thrown to the wolves by his party for continuing to support that war--seems to me only those who are now regretful of their vote/support want to lay blame on the cia and others--that way they don't have to take any responsibility for their vote.
and it was funny to me that the same intelligence agencies that were being blamed for the lack of wmd's were suddenly being praised a few weeks back by those same critics when they came out with info that put the war and it's affects in a bad light. i guess NOW the CIA and others are correct, but were wrong before....

[Downthestretch55]

Originally Posted by Danzig188

and yet many still support bush, the war effort. lieberman for one was thrown to the wolves by his party for continuing to support that war--seems to me only those who are now regretful of their vote/support want to lay blame on the cia and others--that way they don't have to take any responsibility for their vote.
and it was funny to me that the same intelligence agencies that were being blamed for the lack of wmd's were suddenly being praised a few weeks back by those same critics when they came out with info that put the war and it's affects in a bad light. i guess NOW the CIA and others are correct, but were wrong before....

Danzig,
I'll have to do a search for the NIE report. It's worth the read.
If authorization for going to war was based on false information, the blame is not on the ones that voted, but on those that provided the "information" on which it was based.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Danzig188

and yet many still support bush, the war effort. lieberman for one was thrown to the wolves by his party for continuing to support that war--seems to me only those who are now regretful of their vote/support want to lay blame on the cia and others--that way they don't have to take any responsibility for their vote.
and it was funny to me that the same intelligence agencies that were being blamed for the lack of wmd's were suddenly being praised a few weeks back by those same critics when they came out with info that put the war and it's affects in a bad light. i guess NOW the CIA and others are correct, but were wrong before....

I don't think anyone really cares about the stuff that DTS brings up. The only thing that people care about is the fact that the war is not going well right now and Americans are getting killed. That is pretty much the only thing that most Americans care about. I think that the only regret that people have is the fact that things are not working out the way we hoped. People are also starting to question whether this startegy of "stay the course" is working. People are starting to get pretty fed up. If this thing would have ended a year ago, I don't think most Americans would have had any regrets about this war.