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Old 11-03-2006, 05:05 PM
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I'm not really sure to make of this.
Is it about Foley's take on "no child's behind left un-tried"?
Or is it that the gays that are opposed to "gay marriage" got caught with their pants down and their drug buy (remember "war on drugs?).
This is just too confusing.
Is Geddbya gay too? Cheney has already shown that he's reckless with his "gun".
Maybe the "right wingers" can explain.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...toryId=6430392
What would you like me to explain? The link you posted talked mostly about how the people in his church were handling the situation. Is this really a politically charged situation, or just another mans' fall from grace?
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Old 11-03-2006, 05:08 PM
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Just because a guy is gay, it doesn't mean he has to be in favor of gay marriage. LOL.
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Old 11-03-2006, 05:14 PM
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Just because a guy is gay, it doesn't mean he has to be in favor of gay marriage. LOL.

oh, good point! hell, lots of heterosexuals are very much against marriage!!
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Old 11-03-2006, 05:22 PM
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oh, good point! hell, lots of heterosexuals are very much against marriage!!
He never said he was against being gay. He only said he was against gay marriage. Where is the hypocrisy? LOL.
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Old 11-03-2006, 05:34 PM
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oh, good point! hell, lots of heterosexuals are very much against marriage!!
Danzig,
I really have nothing against gay people.
They deserve the same rights as everyone.
The problem that I have with all of this is that if it hypocrites are found by their own admissions, then they deserve their own consequences.
I'll pray for Haggert's wife and five kids.
I'll also include my position on this entire mess, "Judge not lest ye be judged."
Obviously, Rupert didn't read Esther 7:9, 10. The very gallows that he prepared for Mordechai were the ones that he was hanged from.
The irony, whether it was Foley's protecting children from internet porn, or Haggert's position with the 30 million evangelicals he lead in his crusade against gay marriage, or Gdubb's attempt to impose "democracy" on people that he invaded..wasted countless lives, many maimed, and an occupation that is doomed despite all claims of "victory", staying the course, "flexibility"...
on and on...
These times are crazy. Those "straw men" that became compost are only that.
Some continue to believe in them. For sure, they're entitled to that.
Just do me a favor. Spare me the gallows that I didn't construct for others to be hanged from.
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Old 11-03-2006, 05:38 PM
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Danzig,
I really have nothing against gay people.
They deserve the same rights as everyone.
The problem that I have with all of this is that if it hypocrites are found by their own admissions, then they deserve their own consequences.
I'll pray for Haggert's wife and five kids.
I'll also include my position on this entire mess, "Judge not lest ye be judged."
Obviously, Rupert didn't read Esther 7:9, 10. The very gallows that he prepared for Mordechai were the ones that he was hanged from.
The irony, whether it was Foley's protecting children from internet porn, or Haggert's position with the 30 million evangelicals he lead in his crusade against gay marriage, or Gdubb's attempt to impose "democracy" on people that he invaded..wasted countless lives, many maimed, and an occupation that is doomed despite all claims of "victory", staying the course, "flexibility"...
on and on...
These times are crazy. Those "straw men" that became compost are only that.
Some continue to believe in them. For sure, they're entitled to that.
Just do me a favor. Spare me the gallows that I didn't construct for others to be hanged from.
DTS
i don't have anything against them either, and believe all rights should be for ALL people.

and yeah, live by the sword, die by the sword--fits here...
as for the war in iraq, i don't see the comparison--and if memory serves, congress backed up the original decision. of course a lot of people want us to forget that they voted in favor of that decision, now that things are looking bleak.
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Old 11-03-2006, 05:46 PM
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i don't have anything against them either, and believe all rights should be for ALL people.

and yeah, live by the sword, die by the sword--fits here...
as for the war in iraq, i don't see the comparison--and if memory serves, congress backed up the original decision. of course a lot of people want us to forget that they voted in favor of that decision, now that things are looking bleak.
Danzig,
I agree with most of what you said.
I don't agree that congress made an "informed decision". They were fed deceptive information about wmd's by a CIA and other "intelligence" agencies to substantiate a decision that had already been made.
Note Powell's presentation to the uN and Bush's "State of the Union Address".
Lies bite back.
As it is written, "All things will be revealed".
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Old 11-03-2006, 06:13 PM
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Danzig,
I agree with most of what you said.
I don't agree that congress made an "informed decision". They were fed deceptive information about wmd's by a CIA and other "intelligence" agencies to substantiate a decision that had already been made.
Note Powell's presentation to the uN and Bush's "State of the Union Address".
Lies bite back.
As it is written, "All things will be revealed".
and yet many still support bush, the war effort. lieberman for one was thrown to the wolves by his party for continuing to support that war--seems to me only those who are now regretful of their vote/support want to lay blame on the cia and others--that way they don't have to take any responsibility for their vote.
and it was funny to me that the same intelligence agencies that were being blamed for the lack of wmd's were suddenly being praised a few weeks back by those same critics when they came out with info that put the war and it's affects in a bad light. i guess NOW the CIA and others are correct, but were wrong before....
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Old 11-03-2006, 05:12 PM
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this is what happens when someone sets themself up on an incredibly high pedestal, the fall from grace is that much more spectacular.

but as they say, those who are the most homophobic, the most outspoken against gays, many times have homosexual tendencies--and the struggle against their feelings fuels their hatred--and is often times self-hatred.

thing is, when it comes down to it, it's no one's business but his and his wifes. but of course you'd expect a preacher to live up to what he preaches, but the world has its fair share of hypocrites.

he judged others, now i suppose it's his turn.
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Old 11-03-2006, 05:27 PM
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This is a murky area..but I'll trudge on in....I believe this man was elected to the pedestal,and I think the second line is a reach...the world is full of people that hate themselves because their looks aren't just so,or life has not been kind....young people(and old)substituting drugs and sex and booze to take the 'edge' off reality as they see it! The mode of destruction is a choice,just look at our friend Kent. Ethics are seen as outdated,and for the simple-minded. I don't know of this mans' personal demons,but the whole thing is a mess for all involved.

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Old 11-03-2006, 05:15 PM
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What would you like me to explain? The link you posted talked mostly about how the people in his church were handling the situation. Is this really a politically charged situation, or just another mans' fall from grace?
i dont see anything political about it at all...
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Old 11-03-2006, 05:29 PM
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i dont see anything political about it at all...
D: I was speaking to DTS post actually...he kinda roped everything in there together.
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Old 11-03-2006, 05:35 PM
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ok, gotcha.
i really feel for this guys wife and kids tho. bad as what he's going thru, he pretty much brought it on himself...and on them too.
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