Iran

[dellinger63]

Most anyone who watches news on any regular basis has witnessed the Iranian speedboats armed with 50 cal guns, charging and getting dangerously close to US Naval vessels in an attempt to entice a US response.

Iran’s chest-pounding, Jersey Shore-like show of false bravado incredibly, appears to have served a purpose.

Today US ‘Officials’ announced the planned war game exercise with Israeli forces, to practice joint missile defense, scheduled for April will now be put off until, ‘the latter part of 2012’.

Since the attack and after being accused of involvement, the US and UK issued statements of condemnation over the killing of an Iranian nuclear scientist.

Israel hasn’t released a statement.

Israel’s no comment might have to do with the fact the assassinated scientist worked for a government who has a stated goal of wiping it (Israel) off the face of the earth. Perhaps the US and UK should reconsider the condemnation of the killing of one man whose work would provide the means for achieving the intended goal of annihilating an entire country?

How any voter, feeling even the slightest allegiance toward Israel, could vote for this administration to continue for four more years is beyond me. But then again I’m sure there were some that supported Germany and Hitler until their annihilation efforts where well underway. I suppose the fact Germany attempted to keep their evil intentions secret lends some excuse. There is no such excuse in Iran’s case.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Most anyone who watches news on any regular basis has witnessed the Iranian speedboats armed with 50 cal guns, charging and getting dangerously close to US Naval vessels in an attempt to entice a US response.

Iran’s chest-pounding, Jersey Shore-like show of false bravado incredibly, appears to have served a purpose.

Today US ‘Officials’ announced the planned war game exercise with Israeli forces, to practice joint missile defense, scheduled for April will now be put off until, ‘the latter part of 2012’.

Since the attack and after being accused of invovement, the US and UK issued statements of condemnation over the killing of an Iranian nuclear scientist.

Israel hasn’t released a statement.

Israel’s no comment might have to do with the fact the assassinated scientist worked for a government who has a stated goal of wiping it (Israel) off the face of the earth. Perhaps the US and UK should reconsider the condemnation of the killing of one man whose work would provide the means for achieving the intended goal of annihilating an entire country?

How any voter, feeling even the slightest allegiance toward Israel, could vote for this administration to continue for four more years is beyond me. But then again I’m sure there were some that supported Germany and Hitler until their annihilation efforts where well underway. I suppose the fact Germany attempted to keep their evil intentions secret lends some excuse. There is no such excuse in Iran’s case.

i have to say i've never given israel a moments' thought when i stepped into a voting booth. does anyone in this country? perhaps. but why would a u.s. citizen feel any 'allegiance' to israel? also, what about the words of our first president regarding allies vs interests?
at any rate, i feel regardless of party in the white house, israel hasn't got to fear us turning our backs on them.
and yes, germany did keep their annihilations of millions a secret as much as possible in other countries, as well as their own. i'm currently reading 'the end' by ian kershaw about the last year of ww2 in germany. as some there said when soviet atrocities against germans were hitting their news, how could they expect to be treated humanely after all they'd been doing-both in war zones and their own country?

not sure tho why you think iran would get any support here, from anyone.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Danzig

Might have to do with the fact they are our greatest mid-east ally and their mere existence has been threatened, or perhaps ancestry?


I understand Israel's lack of comment more than I do our condemnation. That is unless it's an 'official' lie. I also consider our comment as supportive.

[Danzig]

see, i just don't see israel so much as an ally as a dependant. do they perform a service in return for all we give? doubt it, probably a lousy ROI. our fleet over in that region is in bahrain-now, that's an ally.

[bigrun]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Most anyone who watches news on any regular basis has witnessed the Iranian speedboats armed with 50 cal guns, charging and getting dangerously close to US Naval vessels in an attempt to entice a US response.

Iran’s chest-pounding, Jersey Shore-like show of false bravado incredibly, appears to have served a purpose.

Today US ‘Officials’ announced the planned war game exercise with Israeli forces, to practice joint missile defense, scheduled for April will now be put off until, ‘the latter part of 2012’.

Since the attack and after being accused of involvement, the US and UK issued statements of condemnation over the killing of an Iranian nuclear scientist.

Israel hasn’t released a statement.

Israel’s no comment might have to do with the fact the assassinated scientist worked for a government who has a stated goal of wiping it (Israel) off the face of the earth. Perhaps the US and UK should reconsider the condemnation of the killing of one man whose work would provide the means for achieving the intended goal of annihilating an entire country?

How any voter, feeling even the slightest allegiance toward Israel, could vote for this administration to continue for four more years is beyond me. But then again I’m sure there were some that supported Germany and Hitler until their annihilation efforts where well underway. I suppose the fact Germany attempted to keep their evil intentions secret lends some excuse. There is no such excuse in Iran’s case.

How Bush's grandfather helped Hitler's rise to power

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2004...secondworldwar



The drums of war sound familiar.

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/7...-familiar.html







and these Iranian warships sure look dangerous...

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Danzig

see, i just don't see israel so much as an ally as a dependant. do they perform a service in return for all we give? doubt it, probably a lousy ROI. our fleet over in that region is in bahrain-now, that's an ally.

I'm sure much of our middle eastern 'dirty work' is done by Mossad.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I'm sure much of our middle eastern 'dirty work' is done by Mossad.

no doubt.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by bigrun

How Bush's grandfather helped Hitler's rise to power

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2004...secondworldwar



The drums of war sound familiar.

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/7...-familiar.html






and these Iranian warships sure look dangerous...

i'd imagine those two ships are two of their best, two of their few as well. most of their navy doesn't deserve to be called such.

as for the bush family, this from the article

'While there is no suggestion that Prescott Bush was sympathetic to the Nazi cause, the documents reveal that the firm he worked for, Brown Brothers Harriman (BBH), acted as a US base for the German industrialist, Fritz Thyssen, who helped finance Hitler in the 1930s before falling out with him at the end of the decade.' caught my eye.

i'd imagine plenty of people bought hitler's propaganda hook, line and sinker early on. charles lindbergh was a hitler fan. old joe kennedy was a rabid anti-semite and hitler supporter/ apologist.-it cost him the ambassadorship to the court of st. james. then, there was the former king, the duke of windsor. that's just to name a few. i doubt many in the early years of hitler's rise had any inkling of the costs of his rise to power.

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Today US ‘Officials’ announced the planned war game exercise with Israeli forces, to practice joint missile defense, scheduled for April will now be put off until, ‘the latter part of 2012’.

For 'the latter part of 2012,' read October 2012. This will be Obama's "October surprise" to insure his re-election.


Ocala Mike

[Danzig]

http://news.yahoo.com/us-aircraft-ca...005059420.html


no surprise that absolutely nothing happened. iran is posturing. i saw the eu is now in on the embargo. i expect iran will soon come to the table.

[dellinger63]

just saw Iran banned Barbie dolls. Give me that ole time Muslim religion.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

just saw Iran banned Barbie dolls. Give me that ole time Muslim religion.

Or Christian religion.

Bill to ban sales of Barbie dolls proposed by West Virginia politician
THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITER
Wednesday, March 04, 2009

CHARLESTON, W.Va. - Barbie could get an unwelcome present for her 50th birthday: outlawed in West Virginia.

A state lawmaker proposed a bill Tuesday to ban sales of the iconic Mattel doll and others like her.

The proposal from Democratic Delegate Jeff Eldridge says such toys influence girls to place too much importance on physical beauty, at the expense of their intellectual and emotional development.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

Or Christian religion.

Bill to ban sales of Barbie dolls proposed by West Virginia politician
THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITER
Wednesday, March 04, 2009

CHARLESTON, W.Va. - Barbie could get an unwelcome present for her 50th birthday: outlawed in West Virginia.

A state lawmaker proposed a bill Tuesday to ban sales of the iconic Mattel doll and others like her.

The proposal from Democratic Delegate Jeff Eldridge says such toys influence girls to place too much importance on physical beauty, at the expense of their intellectual and emotional development.

Yea cause those crazy Christians have always been against girls placing too much importance on physical beauty. Did you even bother reading the article you posted. I know it gives the Democrat Delegate's name but where is the Christian affiliation. From 2009 and it didn't pass. Nice try.

Guess it did mention Barbie

[Danzig]

just as a i figured would happen:
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-202_162-...nuclear-talks/

Ahmadinejad: Iran ready for nuclear talks

(AP) TEHRAN, Iran - President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad says Iran is ready for nuclear talks with the world powers amid toughening sanctions aimed at forcing Tehran to sharply scale back its nuclear program.


Ahmadinejad, however, says sanctions won't force Iran to capitulate to Western demands.

of course saying they want talks, and actually having constructive discussions with real results, are two different things!