No true college champ again bcs is a joke!

[Bigsmc]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

I'm not sure that is true. I think it would have been a split vote and the debate for a playoff would have really intensified.

There is no way there would be a rematch if the regular season game was 21-0. Ok St. would have been in the game at that point. The outcry would be loud and clear from the public (as well as the voters) that wouldn't want to see a rematch of a 21-0 game.

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by Bigsmc

There is no way there would be a rematch if the regular season game was 21-0. Ok St. would have been in the game at that point. The outcry would be loud and clear from the public (as well as the voters) that wouldn't want to see a rematch of a 21-0 game.

Never even gave that premise a thought. My thinking was that if Bama spanked them 21-0 at home the first time and then lost a 9-6 game in where they missed 4 fg's, the voters wouldn't have had LSU as the clear cut champions.

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by Bigsmc

There is no way there would be a rematch if the regular season game was 21-0. Ok St. would have been in the game at that point. The outcry would be loud and clear from the public (as well as the voters) that wouldn't want to see a rematch of a 21-0 game.

I think it would have been had Bama won the first game. I don't think LSU would have fallen below second.

[Bigsmc]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

I think it would have been had Bama won the first game. I don't think LSU would have fallen below second.

If it was 21-0 as the scenario was presented, no way there is a rematch.

[ddthetide]

Originally Posted by Bigsmc

If it was 21-0 as the scenario was presented, no way there is a rematch.

i agree. the loser would have fallen to far, for things to work out right and them climb back in it.
just remember this year wasn't Bama's fault. the system worked in their favor. everyone in front of them lost AFTER Bama lost.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by ddthetide

i agree. the loser would have fallen to far, for things to work out right and them climb back in it.
just remember this year wasn't Bama's fault. the system worked in their favor. everyone in front of them lost AFTER Bama lost.

And THAT is the real issue here. When you lose is more important than anything. How long till teams start stacking games so that thetough ones are early and last few games of the year are cupcakes? With so many out of conference rivalries ending are we looking forward to Texas versus North Texas or Texas A&M versus Sam Houston State on Thanksgiving night? Isn't it bad enough that 25% of Alabama's schedule is cupcakes (Kent state, N Texas and Ga Southern-who incidentally scored the most points against them all year lol)

And I dont mean to pick on Alabama but like Darren said they were lucky to benefit from the system AND I'm pretty sure that they are the best team in the country. In a playoff system they wouldnt be penalized for a kicker having a bad day (Boise too) and would have an opportunity to win the thing on the field and get the props that they deserve. Instead of talking about this crap we would be talking about the unbelievable defense. Take a cupcake off the schedule, play the other crappy bowls (the idea that a 4 or 8 team playoff would make the other bowls more meaningless than they already are is stupid), figure out a way to work around the NFL playoffs and rake in the money.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

And THAT is the real issue here. When you lose is more important than anything. How long till teams start stacking games so that thetough ones are early and last few games of the year are cupcakes? With so many out of conference rivalries ending are we looking forward to Texas versus North Texas or Texas A&M versus Sam Houston State on Thanksgiving night? Isn't it bad enough that 25% of Alabama's schedule is cupcakes (Kent state, N Texas and Ga Southern-who incidentally scored the most points against them all year lol)

And I dont mean to pick on Alabama but like Darren said they were lucky to benefit from the system AND I'm pretty sure that they are the best team in the country. In a playoff system they wouldnt be penalized for a kicker having a bad day (Boise too) and would have an opportunity to win the thing on the field and get the props that they deserve. Instead of talking about this crap we would be talking about the unbelievable defense. Take a cupcake off the schedule, play the other crappy bowls (the idea that a 4 or 8 team playoff would make the other bowls more meaningless than they already are is stupid), figure out a way to work around the NFL playoffs and rake in the money.

They can Play Friday Night/Sat day/night in December and have the championship after New Years. Use the Bowl Games as the Sites for the playoff game. I don't understand who thinks a playoff system is bad.

[Danzig]

it's not that anyone thinks it's bad. it's the money. if the money was to equal to what's getting thrown at schools now, it would change in a heart beat. until that happens, playoff won't happen.

also there are still questions about how to figure out who gets in the playoffs. good teams could get left out and bad ones in if they go with conference winners. under that scenario, alabama wouldn't have made a playoff this year.

otoh,go by rankings, you have conferences with no representation at all. right now bcs rules prohibit having multiple bcs bowls with teams from one conference. that's why arkansas didn't get a bcs bowl this year-two teams from the sec were already going.

so-do they want the best teams, or go by division winners? either way, some teams will get left out, some will get in who 'don't deserve it'. so, still not exactly 'fair'. if you go by rankings, you still have people voting to help control their opponent, or their own ranking. saban voted okla state lower than anyone else place them, which helped his team remain in second by a razor-thin margin. ok st coach gundy didn't even have a vote.

[ddthetide]

Originally Posted by jms62

They can Play Friday Night/Sat day/night in December and have the championship after New Years. Use the Bowl Games as the Sites for the playoff game. I don't understand who thinks a playoff system is bad.

i heard on espn radio a VERY interesting inside to the BCS meetings the other day. 5-6yrs ago SEC President Slive presented the "plus 1" format which would pit #1 against #4 and #2 against #3. the big10 and pac10 were firmly against it at that time. well guess who's crying the blues? and now they think it's just the GREATEST idea! yup the big10-pac10 are now all in favor and pushing for the plus 1 system BUT it can't take affect until 2014.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

I think it would have been had Bama won the first game. I don't think LSU would have fallen below second.

If LSU had played that poorly in a regular season game they would have dropped 4 or 5 spots. Alabama's defense was really impressive but only the biggest SEC homers could excuse that showing.

The idea that the system "worked" is like crowing after finishing 3rd and 4th in a race and having a double DQ move you up. The BCS simply got lucky that a plane crashed.