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Old 12-15-2011, 04:07 PM
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Wow. This law passed two years ago? You'd think people would take a little self-initiative, and take advantage of the pages and pages of accurate public information available to learn the facts about it.

Rather than doing a Cannon, and screaming that they have to pay for this, when they do not, etc.

Getting more people to purchase and pay for their own health insurance from a private company, as lobbied for by these very private insurance companies when the ACA was written - what a socialist, despicable thing!
I live in the real world and have seen the increases of health insurance from mandates like the one above. In the fantasy land that you seem to come from everybody gets everything and no one pays for it
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Old 12-15-2011, 04:15 PM
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I live in the real world and have seen the increases of health insurance from mandates like the one above.
Well, perhaps you should have lobbyied the private insurance carriers not to get that mandate in the ACA. They are very upset that they have gained 2.5 million more paying customers .... oh, wait. Never mind.

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In the fantasy land that you seem to come from everybody gets everything and no one pays for it
Not at all. But don't let that affect your desire to make the silly snarky comment.
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Old 12-16-2011, 05:49 AM
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Old 12-16-2011, 09:08 AM
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He's right and you're wrong. But you're always wrong. Doesn't stop you though.
But this particular lobby is OK because it was approved by the King.
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Old 12-16-2011, 01:09 PM
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But this particular lobby is OK because it was approved by the King.
Right - that's why I was so angry at Obama for taking single payer off the table, and passing health care reform that mostly, for all the 40 million it newly ensures, is a giveaway to the lobbyists of the insurance companies and PhARMA
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Old 12-16-2011, 02:21 PM
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Right - that's why I was so angry at Obama for taking single payer off the table, and passing health care reform that mostly, for all the 40 million it newly ensures, is a giveaway to the lobbyists of the insurance companies and PhARMA
if it insures 40MM why is the headline 2.5MM and the graph show rapid decline in those who really need insurance (baby making ages)?
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Old 12-16-2011, 03:54 PM
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if it insures 40MM why is the headline 2.5MM and the graph show rapid decline in those who really need insurance (baby making ages)?
Because the headline of 2.5 million is obviously (if you had bothered to read the article) referring only the response to one single provision within the ACA regarding the 2.5 million insured that are 21-26 allowed to stay on their parents insurance. Yup. It worked. They are insured.

Without the ACA, they would have been part of the rapid downward line for those who can no longer afford insurance, or lost their jobs, or no longer get insurance through work. These are not covered, now, by any provisions in the ACA, and will not be until the state insurance exchanges are up and running. Then, their line will go back up, too.

In other words, 2.5 million of the massive uninsured in their 20's have been insured now due to ACA provisions.

How many additional outside those kids have been temporarily insured through the goverment website? Through the changes to SCHIP, Medicaid? Will be when the exchanges are fully operational within the states (unless idiots like Gov. Haley continue to try and subvert them).

Every senior on Medicare has now had the "donut hole" fixed, and has cheaper Rx drugs, and less expensive preventive visits. The average senior has received $800-$1000 a year in lower healthcare costs due to provisions in the ACA.

The Republicans worse nightmare was to see all the ACA provisions kick in before the 2012 election. It's coming true.
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