Lakers trade

Cannon Shell · #1 12-14-2011, 10:08 PM

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I think the Hornets certainly made out better this way.

Agreed

Though the NBA (office/Stern) comes out of this looking terrible. Of course Gordon will probably be bolting in 2 years as well. As for the vaunted draft pick the Kings drafted 1 and 3 in recent years, had one of those picks win the RoY and they are still a weak team.

RockHardTen1985 · #2 12-14-2011, 10:14 PM

This is such a good trade for the Hornets. Clippers are insane IMO. Paul is clearly a superstar, but is there enough around them to contend for a Championship? I say no shot. They can contend for a playoff spot, but so do 20 other teams. The Hornets potentially got 2 stars out of this. Gordon and the pick. I predict that pick ends up being a top 3 pick.

cmorioles · #3 12-15-2011, 10:46 AM

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This is such a good trade for the Hornets. Clippers are insane IMO. Paul is clearly a superstar, but is there enough around them to contend for a Championship? I say no shot. They can contend for a playoff spot, but so do 20 other teams. The Hornets potentially got 2 stars out of this. Gordon and the pick. I predict that pick ends up being a top 3 pick.

That isn't exactly a bold prediction.

The Clippers are a lock for the playoffs. They aren't just contending for one. The problem is Paul will probably bolt in two years, probably for the Knicks.

The Lakers are in trouble. They were exposed last year, and the one really consistent player is now gone (other than Kobe, of course). Kobe is not the guy he once was either obviously. I hear a lot about Howard, but I don't see him leading a team to a title. He would have to be the second best player, so they better do a trade soon.

RockHardTen1985 · #4 12-15-2011, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by cmorioles

That isn't exactly a bold prediction.

The Clippers are a lock for the playoffs. They aren't just contending for one. The problem is Paul will probably bolt in two years, probably for the Knicks.

The Lakers are in trouble. They were exposed last year, and the one really consistent player is now gone (other than Kobe, of course). Kobe is not the guy he once was either obviously. I hear a lot about Howard, but I don't see him leading a team to a title. He would have to be the second best player, so they better do a trade soon.

We can agree on the bottom line. The Clippers have the much better future as long as they resign Paul. I just dont like how they got that future giving up Gordon and the pick. I think you and I are the ones who have said 10x now how big this draft is going to be. The Clippers had a better future then the Lakers before they pulled the trigger on this trade. It feels like Kobes window is 2 years tops, and thats if they get another star. The Clippers could have let the Lakers give up 3 players for Paul and still have had a competitive team now and a bright future. When I told Chuck 2 weeks ago I dont love Howard he told me hes the best big in the league. He might be the best big in this league with no other bigs, but I have not seen any offensive skill out of the guy yet. I know hes only 26 though and does a lot of other things. I doubt he can ever win a title alone. He needs another superstar to feed him.

Cannon Shell · #5 12-15-2011, 12:44 PM

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We can agree on the bottom line. The Clippers have the much better future as long as they resign Paul. I just dont like how they got that future giving up Gordon and the pick. I think you and I are the ones who have said 10x now how big this draft is going to be. The Clippers had a better future then the Lakers before they pulled the trigger on this trade. It feels like Kobes window is 2 years tops, and thats if they get another star. The Clippers could have let the Lakers give up 3 players for Paul and still have had a competitive team now and a bright future. When I told Chuck 2 weeks ago I dont love Howard he told me hes the best big in the league. He might be the best big in this league with no other bigs, but I have not seen any offensive skill out of the guy yet. I know hes only 26 though and does a lot of other things. I doubt he can ever win a title alone. He needs another superstar to feed him.

A draft being deep is not that signifigant for teams drafting high as they only get 1 guy and who cares if the #12 guy is a good player when you are drafting 3rd.

The Clippers arent competing against the Lakers. The Clippers are trying to get to the playoffs and stop being a joke. They were on their way and the CP3 trade gets them there faster.

Dwight Howard is by far the best player at his position. He avg 23 and 14. He is a 3 time defensive player of the year. Last year he added the Tim Duncan bank shot and a little baseline move. Watch a game or two and you will see.

The entire superstar thing is bs.
"You need 2 superstars to win a title"
Uh no you dont. Examples?
Dallas Mavs 2011
San Antonio Spurs 2007
Detroit Pistons 2004

Howard needs better players around him to win a title but who doesn't? Look at the Magic teams lately? They were so desperate they traded for a washed up Areanas who had the worst contract in pro sports. Howard is still a poor FT shooter, he always seems to get a stupid foul every game. He still hasnt grasped the concept of blocking the shot to keep possession of the ball. But he aint Kenyon Martin and if you put the proper pieces around him he can be your best player. I'm pretty sure if the Pistons of 2004 had him in his current form as their Center they would have done just fine.

Cannon Shell · #6 12-19-2011, 01:20 PM

http://www.chron.com/sports/rockets/...742.php#page-1

Dahoss · #7 12-14-2011, 10:20 PM

So the Lakers come out of this whole ordeal with no Chris Paul and they traded away the best sixth man in the league for a draft pick?

Ouch.

RockHardTen1985 · #8 12-14-2011, 10:33 PM

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So the Lakers come out of this whole ordeal with no Chris Paul and they traded away the best sixth man in the league for a draft pick?

Ouch.

If your a Laker fan you gotta hope they are making a move on Dwight Howard. Gasol and Bynum has to be better then Lopez and a first round pick. If your taking Dwight your taking Hedo's contract. Maybe thats why Oden was basicley given away.

Dahoss · #9 12-14-2011, 10:43 PM

Even if that is their plan, it didn't address any of their concerns. They were picked apart by strong guard play in the playoffs. So even if they get Howard, it's probably going to be at the expense of at least Bynum and maybe Gasol.

So you gain Howard, Hedo and a draft pick for Odom, Gasol and Bynum and you are still old at guard. Plus they lost Shannon Brown to free agency, but they signed Josh McRoberts so I guess all is well.

Not Mitch Cupchack's finest off season.

RockHardTen1985 · #10 12-14-2011, 11:03 PM

I agree with you. Of the 2 Paul filled a need. Fisher is old and Steve Blake stinks. But now it feels like they have to go after Howard hard. They share an arena with the Clippers, are the Lakers really going to let the Clippers be the story? I know it feels like a lot Gasol and Bynum, but I feel like Gasol is soft and has always been soft. Your not winning anything with just Gasol. Bynum is just risky with his injury issues. If you can give those guys up for Howard, at least in 5 years or whenever Kobe is done you have the next cornerstone of your franchise. Its just hard for me to believe the Lakers will sit back and let the Clippers get a superstar. If Orlando was strongly considering Howard for Lopez and the pick, then Gasol and Bynum have to be better. Or maybe the Lakers sit chilly. I still think the Clippers gave up way to much and risked there future on making this move happen. If Paul leaves in 2 years, then your going likely lose Blake also. Gordons gone now and that pick is gone. They gave up a ton.

RockHardTen1985 · #11 12-14-2011, 11:05 PM

Lakers going after Baron Davis?

#12 12-15-2011, 04:59 AM

Chris Paul: Worse to Worser

Cannon Shell · #13 12-15-2011, 05:51 AM

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Lakers going after Baron Davis?

He is fatter than me

Cannon Shell · #14 12-15-2011, 05:50 AM

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Even if that is their plan, it didn't address any of their concerns. They were picked apart by strong guard play in the playoffs. So even if they get Howard, it's probably going to be at the expense of at least Bynum and maybe Gasol.

So you gain Howard, Hedo and a draft pick for Odom, Gasol and Bynum and you are still old at guard. Plus they lost Shannon Brown to free agency, but they signed Josh McRoberts so I guess all is well.

Not Mitch Cupchack's finest off season.

What is kind of unsaid is that Kobe is starting to slip with age and the window of opportunity for them is narrowing. This was a really bad crop of FA's but the Odom trade was supposedly the precursor to something different but what if not Howard? And honestly I do whatever I can to get Howard but between Howard's contract, Hedus and Kobe's there isnt much space left and they arent going to have appealing draft picks either. Basically they are the West coast Knicks.

cmorioles · #15 12-15-2011, 10:43 AM

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Agreed

Though the NBA (office/Stern) comes out of this looking terrible. Of course Gordon will probably be bolting in 2 years as well. As for the vaunted draft pick the Kings drafted 1 and 3 in recent years, had one of those picks win the RoY and they are still a weak team.

Some drafts are better than others. The Wizards took Kwame Brown first one year the draft was that bad. RoY isn't a big deal when the draft class isn't that good. It ususally goes to a player on a bad team that gets a lot of minutes. I wouldn't take Evans for even James Harden, picked one spot ahead. That was Blake Griffin and then a big drop. Since Griffin didn't play, somebody had to win it.

This year's draft is very good.

Cannon Shell · #16 12-15-2011, 12:25 PM

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Some drafts are better than others. The Wizards took Kwame Brown first one year the draft was that bad. RoY isn't a big deal when the draft class isn't that good. It ususally goes to a player on a bad team that gets a lot of minutes. I wouldn't take Evans for even James Harden, picked one spot ahead. That was Blake Griffin and then a big drop. Since Griffin didn't play, somebody had to win it.

This year's draft is very good.

This years class may be good compared to recent drafts I agree. But the draft is not like it was when college players stayed 3 or 4 years. Busts are easier to come by and there seems to be no international players this year. The positive is that you get control of the players for roughly 6 years so if you draft well you can build around core guys. The negative is you are drafting guys with 20 odd games of experiences against pretty soft for the most part competition.