NY Toll worker salaries..WOW

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

Point made....next ignorant attempt to blame the middle class for the country's mess....Really folks, if you are gonna go up against Riot, you need at least some facts...

Bestest post evah....................

[pointman]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

Bestest post evah....................

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

Bestest post evah....................

Your use of smiley faces is indeed impressive, much more so than providing stupid facts and presenting a logical train of thought much less a real argument.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

Your use of smiley faces is indeed impressive, much more so than providing stupid facts and presenting a logical train of thought much less a real argument.

I will help him out.
Port Authority has people working a troubling amount of overtime which has them making far more than their job is worth (which only matters because they are on the tax payers dole)

Some of us believe this is something that tax payers should be concerned about.

You and Riot somehow believe that our skepticism towards people whose hardest task is making change for a $20 making $80000 a year is to accuse us of being "against the middle class" or "blaming unions for everything that is wrong" or "against pensions".

In a nutshell

[pointman]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I will help him out.
Port Authority has people working a troubling amount of overtime which has them making far more than their job is worth (which only matters because they are on the tax payers dole)

Some of us believe this is something that tax payers should be concerned about.

You and Riot somehow believe that our skepticism towards people whose hardest task is making change for a $20 making $80000 a year is to accuse us of being "against the middle class" or "blaming unions for everything that is wrong" or "against pensions".

In a nutshell

You forgot about those who drive up that overtime right before retirement in order to boost those pension payouts.

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

Your use of smiley faces is indeed impressive, much more so than providing stupid facts and presenting a logical train of thought much less a real argument.

How can you argue/debate with people who think they are never wrong? It's a never ending battle, that's not worth the time or effort anymore.

I just find it funny that some people try to constantly discuss serious politcal points on a horse racing board (like it just never stops). The amount of material that is posted is absolutely mind blowing. It's almost like Drugs going to some Political board and wanting to have a serious discussion about speed figures in a sports room. If you have all this time and really believe in your cause, why waste it here? Wouldn't you be better off served debating people who are as devoted to politics as you are? Or is it possible, if you went in to the deep end of the pool with the real political know it all's, these people would expose you for the frauds that you are? So instead you just stay here in the kiddie pool, post constant dribble, praise Obama and the great job that he's doing and debate with people who stumbled in to a thread because Aqueduct and Gulfstream were dark.

Although I disagree with Riot on many many things, she does fight a good fight, you on the other hand seem do a pretty good job holding her purse. I'm really not sure what you bring to the table. Actually the more I think about it, you seem to play both sides on many occasions. I guess you are a true politican at heart.

[Bigsmc]

Originally Posted by Riot

Because, you know, overworking current employees, versus hiring more, saves massive money in additional healthcare and pensions - wouldn't want that!

First, 60hrs a week is not "overworking" somebody who's job it is to take money and make change. 60hrs a week could be construed as overworking somebody doing manual labor, but most manual laborers I know, would love to get 60hrs + a week.

Originally Posted by Danzig

perhaps they could hire more workers and not pay ot? but that would mean more pensions, more health care expense, workers comp insurance....

it's cheaper to pay someone ot than to hire more employees. that's a fact, and explains why many companies are doing the same work with less people. the people getting ot might not like it, not everyone wants to work over 40. but in the current climate, people aren't complaining much. they're happy to be working at all.
so yeah, when someone says in a headline 'toll workers raking it in' it sounds wasteful. but is it?

as an aside, perhaps the govt could look at ways to take some hiring burdens away? they've cut the payroll tax to employees, but not employers.

If they did hire more toll takers and reduce the hours of the current employees, the current employees would be howling from the rooftop that they are only making a measly $60k when they are used to making over $100k.

Originally Posted by pointman

Really? The increases that were put in place to close the Port Authority's budget which the Port Authority could not balance in large part because of the salaries and benefits negotiated by the unions?

Not to mention that the job is obsolete and every toll collector could be eliminated and replaced by machines at a much cheaper cost except that the union contracts protect unneccessary jobs?

Somehow this is being ignored in this ridiculous debate.

Originally Posted by Riot

Or it means I read the news, and you jump to the conclusion that it's all the unions fault, all the time.

Good luck with that perpetual victim thing

You're jumping to a conclusion about Cannon, but if he did feel this way, he'd be right a vast majority of the time.

Originally Posted by MaTH716

How can you argue/debate with people who think they are never wrong? It's a never ending battle, that's not worth the time or effort anymore.

I just find it funny that some people try to constantly discuss serious politcal points on a horse racing board (like it just never stops). The amount of material that is posted is absolutely mind blowing. It's almost like Drugs going to some Political board and wanting to have a serious discussion about speed figures in a sports room. If you have all this time and really believe in your cause, why waste it here? Wouldn't you be better off served debating people who are as devoted to politics as you are? Or is it possible, if you went in to the deep end of the pool with the real political know it all's, these people would expose you for the frauds that you are? So instead you just stay here in the kiddie pool, post constant dribble, praise Obama and the great job that he's doing and debate with people who stumbled in to a thread because Aqueduct and Gulfstream were dark.

Although I disagree with Riot on many many things, she does fight a good fight, you on the other hand seem do a pretty good job holding her purse. I'm really not sure what you bring to the table. Actually the more I think about it, you seem to play both sides on many occasions. I guess you are a true politican at heart.

Thank you for this contribution of sanity to this thread.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Bigsmc

First, 60hrs a week is not "overworking" somebody who's job it is to take money and make change. 60hrs a week could be construed as overworking somebody doing manual labor, but most manual laborers I know, would love to get 60hrs + a week.



If they did hire more toll takers and reduce the hours of the current employees, the current employees would be howling from the rooftop that they are only making a measly $60k when they are used to making over $100k.


Somehow this is being ignored in this ridiculous debate.



You're jumping to a conclusion about Cannon, but if he did feel this way, he'd be right a vast majority of the time.



Thank you for this contribution of sanity to this thread.

very true!! and it boggles the mind to see good union brothers hogging jobs rather than pushing for hires-thus increasing the amount of union members. people are all for unions when it fills their need, and against them when it doesn't. after 9-11 the mill had a temporary slowdown, and cut electricians to 32 hours. some senior guys wanted their 40, cut the junior men to 24 they said...yeah, real union-esque.
my husband happened to be in a breakroom at work when some folks were griping about the $2 per pay period increase in union dues. they were outraged, and wanted to know just who agreed to that?! he said it had been discussed over a period of meetings, and then voted on, and that they should have been at the meeting to voice their opinion and make their choice.

at any rate, people making the kind of money to push their ot to those levels for toll collection is absolutely outrageous. just points yet again to the issue of govt workers making more than the private sector, which is ridiculous and makes no sense.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

How can you argue/debate with people who think they are never wrong? It's a never ending battle, that's not worth the time or effort anymore. I just find it funny that some people try to constantly discuss serious politcal points on a horse racing board (like it just never stops). The amount of material that is posted is absolutely mind blowing. It's almost like Drugs going to some Political board and wanting to have a serious discussion about speed figures in a sports room. If you have all this time and really believe in your cause, why waste it here? Wouldn't you be better off served debating people who are as devoted to politics as you are? Or is it possible, if you went in to the deep end of the pool with the real political know it all's, these people would expose you for the frauds that you are? So instead you just stay here in the kiddie pool, post constant dribble, praise Obama and the great job that he's doing and debate with people who stumbled in to a thread because Aqueduct and Gulfstream were dark.

Although I disagree with Riot on many many things, she does fight a good fight, you on the other hand seem do a pretty good job holding her purse. I'm really not sure what you bring to the table. Actually the more I think about it, you seem to play both sides on many occasions. I guess you are a true politican at heart.

very true, and a lesson i learned some weeks ago...

[pointman]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

How can you argue/debate with people who think they are never wrong? It's a never ending battle, that's not worth the time or effort anymore.

I just find it funny that some people try to constantly discuss serious politcal points on a horse racing board (like it just never stops). The amount of material that is posted is absolutely mind blowing. It's almost like Drugs going to some Political board and wanting to have a serious discussion about speed figures in a sports room. If you have all this time and really believe in your cause, why waste it here? Wouldn't you be better off served debating people who are as devoted to politics as you are? Or is it possible, if you went in to the deep end of the pool with the real political know it all's, these people would expose you for the frauds that you are? So instead you just stay here in the kiddie pool, post constant dribble, praise Obama and the great job that he's doing and debate with people who stumbled in to a thread because Aqueduct and Gulfstream were dark.

Although I disagree with Riot on many many things, she does fight a good fight, you on the other hand seem do a pretty good job holding her purse. I'm really not sure what you bring to the table. Actually the more I think about it, you seem to play both sides on many occasions. I guess you are a true politican at heart.

These are excellent points. I rarely come over here as it is an exercise in futility in trying to argue with omniscients like Riot who think they know what is better for people than people know for themselves. She consistently stands on her soap box and talks down to others in a demeaning manner then resorts to insults when her positions are exposed.

I come here on occasion to amuse myself, but always with the caveat that it is going to be time consuming and Riot always has to have the last word. I do enjoy riling her up though it gets draining after a while.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by pointman

These are excellent points. I rarely come over here as it is an exercise in futility in trying to argue with omniscients like Riot who think they know what is better for people than people know for themselves. She consistently stands on her soap box and talks down to others in a demeaning manner then resorts to insults when her positions are exposed.

I come here on occasion to amuse myself, but always with the caveat that it is going to be time consuming and Riot always has to have the last word. I do enjoy riling her up though it gets draining after a while.

ah, set yourself free. i did a few weeks ago. it's very liberating. just go to user cp and look under miscellaneous for the road to freedom!

[pointman]

Originally Posted by Danzig

ah, set yourself free. i did a few weeks ago. it's very liberating. just go to user cp and look under miscellaneous for the road to freedom!

You are obviously wiser than I, but I am sure she will drive me to do it. It won't be long before she unleashes her wrath at me. She quickly and consistently loves to take shots at anything I post here and then plays the victim game.

Riot in 3-2-1 . . . .

[clyde]

This thread was made for Lovely Ritah,Metah Maid.


Ritah dahling,where are you?

Are you lighting up your metah?

Let's go girl.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by pointman

You are obviously wiser than I, but I am sure she will drive me to do it. It won't be long before she unleashes her wrath at me. She quickly and consistently loves to take shots at anything I post here and then plays the victim game.

Riot in 3-2-1 . . . .

Sorry - I was busy laughing hysterically at the thought of poor abused you, the victim

So: the conclusion of the thread is that Evil Union Toll Workers, most of whom make $40-$50,000 for breathing in car fumes all day, shouldn't be allowed to work overtime to get up to $80,000 a year (even though only 27 out of 147 work those hours) or $100,000 a year (only 1 earns that much) because .... well, it's just not right!

They shouldn't be allowed to earn so much money!

Even though allowing them overtime is far cheaper than hiring more employees, even minimum wage ones. Even though their jobs are being phased out by automated lanes. They should be paid minimum wage, and no pensions! Because the taxpayer is stuck for that ... even though the worker pays the pension, not the taxpayer.

It's all the fault of the Evil Unions.

[Alabama Stakes]

Originally Posted by Danzig

ah, set yourself free. i did a few weeks ago. it's very liberating. just go to user cp and look under miscellaneous for the road to freedom!

this 20,000th post ought to be a doozie

[Danzig]

wow, didn't realize it was that high. i've never paid attention to post counts. thanks for keeping up with that for me.