They should review some old DRF's on this one...

[cmorioles]

The guy from Bloodhorse keeps telling me some of the wins in 1913 were in Mexico and at least one in Canada, but I don't see it looking at those PPs.

[Calzone Lord]

The guy from the Blood-Horse doesn't know what he's talking about. Donald Macdonald's last race that I can find on the DRF Archives was a 4th place finish as a 12-year-old in the 6th race at Havana Cuba on March 16th 1918. Perhaps he's looking at his final 22 wins and not his 1913 races.

In those days - they did not put the actual date in the Daily Racing Form past performances - they put index numbers in the place of the dates.

Races with index numbers 6,807 Through index numbers 12,943 occured in the year 1913.

His first win of the year 1913 was race "6991" - it was the 5th race on Jan 29th of 1913. Here is a chart of the first race on that card...



6987 is race 1, 6988 is race 2, 6989 is race 3, 6990 is race 4, 6991 is race 5 and so on.

Here's a chart of one of his wins ... this was the 3rd race at Havre De Grace on Sept 15th of 1913.



In those days - the serious handicappers would buy monthly chart books - and the charts were in numerical order.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

The guy from the Blood-Horse doesn't know what he's talking about.

I know. I tried, but he is adamant. Not much else I can do. I directed him to read this thread, but I don't think he has signed up.

[Calzone Lord]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

I know. I tried, but he is adamant. Not much else I can do. I directed him to read this thread, but I don't think he has signed up.

Maybe he thinks Havre De Grace is a French Canadian track and Palmetto Park is in Mexico.

HdG was where Citation debuted at age 2 and where he suffered his only defeat at age 3. Palmetto was like the Gulfstream Park of the mid 1910's.

Jon White made a couple of great points when he wrote...

As someone with a deep appreciation of horse racing’s history and records, I find it frustrating from time to discover something being purported to be a record in horse racing actually is not.

According to the 2011 Directory & Record Book published by the Thoroughbred Racing Associations (TRA), Citation holds the North American racing record for races won in one year, 19 in 1948.

But once Rapid Redux reached 18 wins this year, I began to wonder if the TRA Directory & Record Book really has it right. I think you can understand my skepticism. It stems largely from the fact that the TRA’s 2011 Directory & Record Book also states that Kincsem, with 54 victories from 54 starts, holds the “North American record” for consecutive wins in a career by a horse.

But how can Kincsem hold a “North American record” when she never once raced in North America? Kincsem raced in Germany, Hungary, Austria, England and France.

and

Why is there something of a lack of clarity regarding an important record like most wins by a Thoroughbred in North America in one year? To a large extent it’s because horse racing’s record keeping too often is inferior when compared to the sports that utilize the Elias Sports Bureau. If you follow pro baseball, football or basketball, you probably have heard of the Elias Sports Bureau.

[Sightseek]

Anyone know if parts of the old Havre De Grace track still stand?

There is some pretty cool information about Narragansette Park on the web, for example, this documentry. (A bit of trivia too, Gansette was the first track to use the starting gate and photo finish)



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ueFbT3L7Yzw