Beyer Checks In on Godolphin

[SCUDSBROTHER]

I agree with what Andy is saying in the article,but it is incredibly late to start complaining about the Sheiks' involvement in American Racing.It is like the father of the bride objecting to the groom on the day of the wedding.The groom has B.O.,and the father knew that for months,but he only objected to the wedding when he himself had to smell it for a couple hours.

[Merlinsky]

Originally Posted by Dixie Porter

Can't figure out why they don't buy Lava Man. My guess is that with all the play money they throw around the real talent concerning this game really isn't there. If you buy "everything" sooner or later you're gonna nail some good ones.

I can give you two reasons that Lava Man is missing as to why they don't buy him---if you get my drift. (i.e. the Bob Barker treatment). If it was solely about buying the talent on the track they've have bought up all sorts of horses they didn't. Notice Lawyer Ron, Afleet Alex, and the like didn't go to the sheikhs. They didn't want to try to stand them. I heard they snubbed Smarty Jones because they figured his sire was good enough for them and they didn't need sonny boy.

They want stallions to stand and broodmares to send to those stallions if possible. They're paying for the stallion in advance of his track performance really and if they make several million surely paying $1.4 mil or $5 mil is chump change. I was trying to think of a prominent gelding they've bought...has there been one? I'm honestly drawing a blank. Not one they've gelded later per se but did they even do that with a horse they'd bought as a colt?

[repent]

Originally Posted by Merlinsky

I can give you two reasons that Lava Man is missing as to why they don't buy him---if you get my drift. (i.e. the Bob Barker treatment). If it was solely about buying the talent on the track they've have bought up all sorts of horses they didn't. Notice Lawyer Ron, Afleet Alex, and the like didn't go to the sheikhs. They didn't want to try to stand them. I heard they snubbed Smarty Jones because they figured his sire was good enough for them and they didn't need sonny boy.

They want stallions to stand and broodmares to send to those stallions if possible. They're paying for the stallion in advance of his track performance really and if they make several million surely paying $1.4 mil or $5 mil is chump change. I was trying to think of a prominent gelding they've bought...has there been one? I'm honestly drawing a blank. Not one they've gelded later per se but did they even do that with a horse they'd bought as a colt?

Ashkal Way is the most notable current gelding they have running.
I dont know when he was gelded.
I was thinking Afrashad was a gelding but Im not sure on that.
i know Lateen Sails was a gelding. I assume he is still running.


Repent

[Merlinsky]

Originally Posted by repent

Ashkal Way is the most notable current gelding they have running. I dont know when he was gelded.t

Ahhh.. ok thanks repent, that's a good one I didn't remember. But still, they say they have too many viable horses in the race so they don't run Ashkal Way but I'd have figured he was going. I'd be willing to bet at least part of the reason is what would a Breeders' Cup victory/placing do for them if it's a gelding? They can't breed him with the accolade in the trophy room, they can just stare at said trophy---heck the horse would be its own trophy for all intents and purposes so when it comes right down to it they probably try to mess with geldings at little as possible ergo I don't see them buying Lava Man anytime soon. I'm sure there's exceptions for various reasons, I just mean they probably don't look at a gelding winning big races and go 'ooh jackpot, where do I sign?' without something else to it.

[Slewbopper]

Originally Posted by Merlinsky

I don't see them buying Lava Man anytime soon. I'm sure there's exceptions for various reasons, I just mean they probably don't look at a gelding winning big races and go 'ooh jackpot, where do I sign?' without something else to it.

The absolute maximum Lava Man could return is another $8 mil and that is if he wins 2 BCCs and the same races next year that he did this year,. They would rather spend $11.7 on a Snap Cat yearling that could possibly win a Derby or sire one down the road.

One has to wonder when their competition at the Keeneland sales is going to finally throw in the "towel" and say the hell with it. It will be at that point when horse racing will no longer be a sport but just another form of betting like blackjack or poker.

[Dunbar]

I think Beyer's main point is right on. But, "Certainly, Bernardini has generated little attention, despite his brilliance as a racehorse." is simply a reflection of how little exposure and interest there is in racing these days.

The number of people who recognize the name of Ghostzapper or St. Liam, our last 2 HOY's, is not any greater than the number of people that have heard of Bernardini. That has nothing to do with the sheiks.

Sadly, they could let Bernardini run another year and it probably wouldn't change much as far as the non-fan public is concerned. Even Cigar barely created a blip on the sports pages during his long win streak.

--Dunbar

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by Dunbar

I think Beyer's main point is right on. But, "Certainly, Bernardini has generated little attention, despite his brilliance as a racehorse." is simply a reflection of how little exposure and interest there is in racing these days.

The number of people who recognize the name of Ghostzapper or St. Liam, our last 2 HOY's, is not any greater than the number of people that have heard of Bernardini. That has nothing to do with the sheiks.

Sadly, they could let Bernardini run another year and it probably wouldn't change much as far as the non-fan public is concerned. Even Cigar barely created a blip on the sports pages during his long win streak.

--Dunbar

This is correct in my opinion. We can have a superhorse running but if nobody knows it, it's sort of like the falling tree in the woods thing.

[Hwjb]

Originally Posted by Merlinsky

I can give you two reasons that Lava Man is missing as to why they don't buy him---if you get my drift. (i.e. the Bob Barker treatment). If it was solely about buying the talent on the track they've have bought up all sorts of horses they didn't. Notice Lawyer Ron, Afleet Alex, and the like didn't go to the sheikhs. They didn't want to try to stand them. I heard they snubbed Smarty Jones because they figured his sire was good enough for them and they didn't need sonny boy.

They want stallions to stand and broodmares to send to those stallions if possible. They're paying for the stallion in advance of his track performance really and if they make several million surely paying $1.4 mil or $5 mil is chump change. I was trying to think of a prominent gelding they've bought...has there been one? I'm honestly drawing a blank. Not one they've gelded later per se but did they even do that with a horse they'd bought as a colt?

Unbelievable lack of knowledge/research from some before making comments merely to damn the Sheikhs.
Sheikh Mo has bought Formal Decree and Stage Gift, both progressive geldings, in the past few days.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Hwjb

Unbelievable lack of knowledge/research from some before making comments merely to damn the Sheikhs.
Sheikh Mo has bought Formal Decree and Stage Gift, both progressive geldings, in the past few days.

It's just good to know the Sheik will buy any horse. I, for one, was concerned for a second.

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by Dixie Porter

I should have added Bodorano. I think they're just trying to "tie up the game". We agree that they're using Monopoly Money. These additons (dirt cheap by their standards) would give them two live players on the West Coast.

I honestly believe they want to control "our game" in the next 10 years. These creeps have no interest in competitive competition and they hold the Two Aces (time and unlimited funds).

I believe the same thing. Maybe I'm wrong here but I know that over the years, I've warned people about criticizing the way the Sheikhs have been trying to win the Derby. It's been my feeling for years, since watching them dominate the European racing scene, that if they so wanted to dominate American racing the same way, they could. It's been my belief that all of the criticism would lead them to taking an "oh, u don't think we can dominate your game?" kind of attitude and lead them to buying any and everything just to show that they can.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

I believe the same thing. Maybe I'm wrong here but I know that over the years, I've warned people about criticizing the way the Sheikhs have been trying to win the Derby. It's been my feeling for years, since watching them dominate the European racing scene, that if they so wanted to dominate American racing the same way, they could. It's been my belief that all of the criticism would lead them to taking an "oh, u don't think we can dominate your game?" kind of attitude and lead them to buying any and everything just to show that they can.

maybe next april he can buy the top 25 in graded earnings....he'll win the derby for sure! wonder if it would feel so good that way?