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Old 12-04-2011, 02:09 PM
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invading iraq. ignoring afganistans history and invading there...now it's dragged on longer than nam.
Main reasons i contend dumya bush was worst prez...
Afgan, ok to take out terrorists camps and route the Taliban, capture and kill bin laden and get out in one year tops...end of story...but no, dumya/darth cheney say Iraq is a threat to us...



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"The U.S. arsenal had deterred Stalin and Mao Zedong, but apparently it could not deter such a monster as Saddam. A second 9/11 with nuclear, chemical or biological weapons was something we had to go to war to prevent.

So, with the indispensable support of a Democratic Senate including Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden, John Edwards, John Kerry and Harry Reid, we went to war against Iraq.

After eight years, what are the costs and what are the rewards?

Some 4,400 U.S. dead, 35,000 wounded, a trillion dollars sunk.

Economically, the U.S. share of world gross domestic product has shrunk dramatically in a decade, while China's share has soared.

We won World War II and the Cold War. We did not win the post-Cold War era now ending. Looking back on the decade since 9/11, one appreciates Edmund Burke's summary judgment of that generation of British leaders who lost the North American colonies."

"A great empire and little minds go ill together."

and Obama is blamed for not cleaning up dumya's 8 years of mess...
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Old 12-04-2011, 02:23 PM
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Main reasons i contend dumya bush was worst prez...
Afgan, ok to take out terrorists camps and route the Taliban, capture and kill bin laden and get out in one year tops...end of story...but no, dumya/darth cheney say Iraq is a threat to us...






and Obama is blamed for not cleaning up dumya's 8 years of mess...
i don't blame obama for not cleaning up the mess. i blame obama for continuing on with much of what bush started. also, one guy can't make it all, and one guy can't fix it all. i have always, and will always hold congress responsible for the majority of our issues.
it'll take years to fix what has been done. just too big a mess to fix everything at once... foreign policy failures, domestic issues being ignored or kicked down the road. too much emphasis on defense, which sucks up so much of our hard-earned money. pols feathering their own nests at the expense of ours. look how many folks lost their retirement while so many sens and reps made money on the same issues that cost soon to be retirees.
social security figures to become a bigger drain, so our most recent president and our current one both advocate lower ss withholdings. awesome.
the number one issue should be what to do to fix jobs, to encourage creation. that will generate more income to state and federal. than work on the budget, what to attack first.
they also need to work on afganistan-it'll never get better, we need to take what we've gotten and haul ass. karzai wants to talk to the taliban, let him. but we need out first.
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Old 12-04-2011, 02:32 PM
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i don't blame obama for not cleaning up the mess. i blame obama for continuing on with much of what bush started.
it'll take years to fix what has been done. it's a far bigger mess than just what bush did, or obama, or several others over the years-as well as our wonderful congressmen and women. they are all to blame.
foreign policy failures, domestic issues being ignored or kicked down the road. too much emphasis on defense, which sucks up so much of our hard-earned money. pols feathering their own nests at the expense of ours. look how many folks lost their retirement while so many sens and reps made money on the same issues that cost soon to be retirees.
social security figures to become a bigger drain, so our most recent president and our current one both advocate lower ss withholdings. awesome.

I agree with 99%....but the hard right wants to blame Obama for everything...and he hasn't even started a war....i know elections are coming up but they have been preaching that sermon from day one...
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I agree with 99%....but the hard right wants to blame Obama for everything...and he hasn't even started a war....i know elections are coming up but they have been preaching that sermon from day one...
Oh they're all about doing anything and everything to take this President down, i give you the embarrassment for Kentucky that is Mitch McConnell who said it's their number 1 priority!
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Old 12-04-2011, 03:12 PM
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Oh they're all about doing anything and everything to take this President down, i give you the embarrassment for Kentucky that is Mitch McConnell who said it's their number 1 priority!
but you know what...if, and that's a big if, a republican gets the presidency, the democrats will have their turn at taking that one down-it'll be their #1 priority.
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Old 12-04-2011, 03:42 PM
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http://www.theonion.com/articles/bus...-and-pros,464/

"our long national nightmare of peace and prosperity is finally over"

http://www.theonion.com/articles/bla...orst-job,6439/

"as part of his duties, the black man will have to spend four to eight years cleaning up the messes other people left behind."

anyone who writes recently that carter is the worst president of their lifetime must have figured out a way to do it posthumously.
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Old 12-04-2011, 04:08 PM
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http://www.theonion.com/articles/bus...-and-pros,464/

"our long national nightmare of peace and prosperity is finally over"
Holy cow, I'll be even the Onion had no idea how prescient that would be!
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but you know what...if, and that's a big if, a republican gets the presidency, the democrats will have their turn at taking that one down-it'll be their #1 priority.
Some would say that's politics. I think we can agree it's pretty dirty lol! Which is a shame!
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Old 12-04-2011, 04:14 PM
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Some would say that's politics. I think we can agree it's pretty dirty lol! Which is a shame!
Embrace Occupy, it will be the political force to be reckoned with this next election cycle. It's non-partisan.
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Old 12-04-2011, 05:17 PM
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Some would say that's politics. I think we can agree it's pretty dirty lol! Which is a shame!
the shame is the gridlock that occurs, and us waiting for things to happen while they make sure that anything that happens worth crowing about came from 'them'. of course, the opposite of 'them' does what they can to keep that from happening.
so, nothing happens and we all plod along.

we need term limits for congress. if they can't get re-elected, they might get off their asses and actually do something because they don't have to worry about pandering to voters.
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but you know what...if, and that's a big if, a republican gets the presidency, the democrats will have their turn at taking that one down-it'll be their #1 priority.
I'd hope #1 would be jobs and the economy. Like Boehner said it was (that sure turned out false).

At least McConnell didn't lie, and said outright his Senate would be all about screwing the President, rather than helping America.
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I'd hope #1 would be jobs and the economy. Like Boehner said it was (that sure turned out false).

At least McConnell didn't lie, and said outright his Senate would be all about screwing the President, rather than helping America.
In many ways this is helping
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but you know what...if, and that's a big if, a republican gets the presidency, the democrats will have their turn at taking that one down-it'll be their #1 priority.
Having watched them bend over for Bush from 2000-2008, I disagree.
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Having watched them bend over for Bush from 2000-2008, I disagree.
you might want to go back and do some googling on that first.
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I agree with 99%....but the hard right wants to blame Obama for everything...and he hasn't even started a war....i know elections are coming up but they have been preaching that sermon from day one...
yeah, but no one really gives a rats ass about the far right except the far right.
and yeah, he hasn't started a war-but we're still in afganistan. it's his now.
i am also bothered by the govt always being in election mode-from the top down. and when i say govt, i don't mean just the president. i don't mean just the house, or the senate. it's all of them, in permanent election mode. they don't want decisions made, votes taken, news let out, until after the election...or pass something tough that will run just past the next vote...no one wants to take a stand because the two parties don't want to lose seats. we need people with some spine to say to hell with the democratic party, or the republican party, and take a stand and do the dirty work that needs to be done. else the dirty work will never get fixed, and the problems will just snowball.
obama said he was for change-i scoffed then, and for good reason. he can't change it-they even have him toeing the line. he said even if it costs me re-election, i'll do the tough stuff. or not. that's on him-but all the issues are on all of them.
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Main reasons i contend dumya bush was worst prez...
Afgan, ok to take out terrorists camps and route the Taliban, capture and kill bin laden and get out in one year tops...end of story...but no, dumya/darth cheney say Iraq is a threat to us...






and Obama is blamed for not cleaning up dumya's 8 years of mess...
http://articles.cnn.com/2002-03-13/p...PM:ALLPOLITICS

Let's play find the March 13, 2002 quote...if you can.
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The NEWT train is picking up steam!
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The NEWT train is picking up steam!
Newt's going to be the only one at The Donald's "debate" - and I can't wait to see Donald go Crazy Birther on Newt, and Newt tell Donald to GFY. The implosion will be ... stunning!
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The NEWT train is picking up steam!
I mean..do you think it's because he's capable or candidate by default and self-implosion of all others?
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i don't think newt's capable. he's just the latest non-romney to get attention. i guess the right wingers are going to get all the non-mormons up in the polls and then watch each of them crash and burn in turn.
it'll end up romney vs huntsman for the nominee. lol

oh boy. what a joke this campaign was/is/will be.
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