12/1: Aqueduct (6th-9th)

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

That was a big run?

Modestly big. She ran well.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Kasept

Modestly big. She ran well.

I will tell you one thing, you can't guess about your horse anymore after Sunday, as if he doesn't run at least respectably in there, I don't know when or where he will. Honestly, he is supposed to be, at least, one-two there.

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I will tell you one thing, you can't guess about your horse anymore after Sunday, as if he doesn't run at least respectably in there, I don't know when or where he will. Honestly, he is supposed to be, at least, one-two there.

From your mouth to God's ears..

PGiaco can talk to it better than me having bred Pal, Loyal Shadow, Alexandra's Halo and Cape of Storms out of U R Theweakestlink, but while the siblings have all won, none won early or at 2 at all. They've all had some ability but are inclined to mature slowly mentally. Loyal Shadow was 0/8 as a 2yo before catching on as a 3yo last year with the move to grass and a drop to MDN $25k. She then has gone on to 4 more wins the last 18 months and with Thursday's showing has banked more than $150k. We're taking advantage of the grass as Pal seems to prefer it, but he may not want to go the 8.5f. We'll see. Nakatani should get to control things up front, so if the mile and 'teenth is in his scope at this time, I agree he has a big chance..

[blackthroatedwind]

You're trying to sell that bunk to your board members....as you already know I don't buy it.

While this horse may want no part of a distance, and if ever successful it may only be in sprints, however BASED ON THE RACES HE HAS RUN AS A 2YO he is one of the horses to beat in THIS PARTICULAR RACE. What his siblings have done has absolutely zero bearing on any of this.

Good luck. I like his chances for whatever that's worth.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

You're trying to sell that bunk to your board members....as you already know I don't buy it.

While this horse may want no part of a distance, and if ever successful it may only be in sprints, however BASED ON THE RACES HE HAS RUN AS A 2YO he is one of the horses to beat in THIS PARTICULAR RACE. What his siblings have done has absolutely zero bearing on any of this.

Good luck. I like his chances for whatever that's worth.

I am loading the boat on him

[pgiaco]

Originally Posted by Kasept

From your mouth to God's ears..

PGiaco can talk to it better than me having bred Pal, Loyal Shadow, Alexandra's Halo and Cape of Storms out of U R Theweakestlink, but while the siblings have all won, none won early or at 2 at all. They've all had some ability but are inclined to mature slowly mentally. Loyal Shadow was 0/8 as a 2yo before catching on as a 3yo last year with the move to grass and a drop to MDN $25k. She then has gone on to 4 more wins the last 18 months and with Thursday's showing has banked more than $150k. We're taking advantage of the grass as Pal seems to prefer it, but he may not want to go the 8.5f. We'll see. Nakatani should get to control things up front, so if the mile and 'teenth is in his scope at this time, I agree he has a big chance..

I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss this colt's chances at 8.5 furlongs. I know Andy doesn't want to hear about siblings, but each of the others didn't do their best until stretched out, either on polytrack or turf. Obviously Loyal Shadow is the best of the bunch and she has won at 6f, but her best races have been at 7f and a mile and as she gets older she seems to prefer going longer. I also think that had she been able to swing outside at any point yesterday she wins that race. I may be biased, but that's my opinion.
That being said, I don't think that there is any indication of My Pal of Pals ability going 2 turns from his last race as I think he got a "curious" ride from Choppy after the colt dumped him at the gate. I look forward to a good effort on Sunday....at least I have my fingers crossed.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by pgiaco

I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss this colt's chances at 8.5 furlongs. I know Andy doesn't want to hear about siblings, but each of the others didn't do their best until stretched out, either on polytrack or turf. Obviously Loyal Shadow is the best of the bunch and she has won at 6f, but her best races have been at 7f and a mile and as she gets older she seems to prefer going longer. I also think that had she been able to swing outside at any point yesterday she wins that race. I may be biased, but that's my opinion.
That being said, I don't think that there is any indication of My Pal of Pals ability going 2 turns from his last race as I think he got a "curious" ride from Choppy after the colt dumped him at the gate. I look forward to a good effort on Sunday....at least I have my fingers crossed.

I don't have a problem with who the siblings are, I just don't want to hear about how they were late developers, at least as it regards this horses chances on Sunday, as on paper they seem fairly reasonable.

My problem with the distance is the sire...not the dam.

[pgiaco]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I don't have a problem with who the siblings are, I just don't want to hear about how they were late developers, at least as it regards this horses chances on Sunday, as on paper they seem fairly reasonable.

My problem with the distance is the sire...not the dam.

Point taken..I agree that City Zip doesn't scream distance but I think he can get horses that get a mile or thereabouts....and I also agree that lacking a legitimate excuse he needs to give a good account of himself tomorrow.