Holiday Wknd Stakes Beyers: Honor/Serve 104; Wise Dan 105

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Betsy

If he's still doing it next year, then it will be a problem, but it just seems to me a sign of greenness or mental immaturity. The real problem with being on the wrong lead is that it's hard to get away with against really good horses. He didn't do it in the allowance race at the Spa; he may be a horse that needs to be ridden even with a sizeable lead. His best races, except Saturday's, have come at 1 1/8, so I really think he's fine at the distance. I also don't think he's unsound - in fact, per Mott, he gained weight after the Classic so he's thriving. If it turns out he can't quite go 1 1/4, it's not that big a deal - if he's good, he's good.

considering his history, it may have more to do with soundness than anything.

[Betsy]

Originally Posted by Danzig

considering his history, it may have more to do with soundness than anything.

Even if I completely believe he was hurt, I don't think it has anything to do with soundness - he did it last year as a 2 year old in the Remsen. I think if the horse had issues, Mott wouldn't be planning such an ambitious schedule - and I don't even think he'd be running next year, truthfully. They just got the grade 1, and in a mile race which breeders love. Weber could easily just retire the colt at this point. I just think the horse is still somewhat immature - hopefully time will take care of that.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Betsy

Even if I completely believe he was hurt, I don't think it has anything to do with soundness - he did it last year as a 2 year old in the Remsen. I think if the horse had issues, Mott wouldn't be planning such an ambitious schedule - and I don't even think he'd be running next year, truthfully. They just got the grade 1, and in a mile race which breeders love. Weber could easily just retire the colt at this point. I just think the horse is still somewhat immature - hopefully time will take care of that.

sure he's 'planning it' you can plan anything. i can see a green two year old having lead issues, but an almost four year old? some soundness issues doesn't preclude racing, plenty of horses have run even though they weren't a picture of soundness. they have nothing to lose by running him next year. he has a shot to do well as an older horse, and get some wins to help make a stud deal for him.

[Betsy]

Originally Posted by Danzig

sure he's 'planning it' you can plan anything. i can see a green two year old having lead issues, but an almost four year old? some soundness issues doesn't preclude racing, plenty of horses have run even though they weren't a picture of soundness. they have nothing to lose by running him next year. he has a shot to do well as an older horse, and get some wins to help make a stud deal for him.

Good points...it is all just speculation as we really don't and wont know for sure, though.


So now the BSF is 104? I dont get the change

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Betsy

So now the BSF is 104? I dont get the change

The figures that were out yesterday were never the final figures. They were part of a discussion which ultimately resulted in the numbers for the day being reduced by two points.

You would have understood it if they had raised them all two points. Trust me, regardless of what you think, it's not personal.

[Betsy]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

The figures that were out yesterday were never the final figures. They were part of a discussion which ultimately resulted in the numbers for the day being reduced by two points.

You would have understood it if they had raised them all two points. Trust me, regardless of what you think, it's not personal.

No actually I would not have understood it..and despite what you think, I didn't take it personally. Why would I? I have never understood how Beyers work

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Betsy

No actually I would not have understood it..and despite what you think, I didn't take it personally. Why would I? I have never understood how Beyers work

Do you also completely lack any sense of humor in real life?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Betsy

No actually I would not have understood it..and despite what you think, I didn't take it personally. Why would I? I have never understood how Beyers work

if you don't understand how they work, how can you question a number coming back different than you felt it should get-if you don't know how they arrive at a number to begin with? or do you just think every time a horse runs it should be higher than the time before?