Rapid Redux goes for 19th at LRL; Attempts 20th at MNR Monday

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

2.20 win 2.20 place... They have a guaranteed minimum .20 payout @ Mountaineer?

Would have been nice to know....I would have bridgejumped the shiz out of him in place

Yup, if that was the case, then I'm 100% sure they would have taken him down and placed him last for cutting off the 6 going into the 1st turn.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

Yup, if that was the case, then I'm 100% sure they would have taken him down and placed him last for cutting off the 6 going into the 1st turn.

I know its not the point, but would RR even beat the NY bred overnight stakes field from this past Sunday?

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

I know its not the point, but would RR even beat the NY bred overnight stakes field from this past Sunday?

He certainly wouldn't have gotten an easy lead.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

I know its not the point, but would RR even beat the NY bred overnight stakes field from this past Sunday?

Seriously? He would have had no chance in there. He is winning starter 5k races. Winning 18 races in one year is unbelievable but he is a 25 claimer not a good horse.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Seriously? He would have had no chance in there. He is winning starter 5k races. Winning 18 races in one year is unbelievable but he is a 25 claimer not a good horse.

I know thats the point Im making. Not only would he have not had a chance to win against NY breds, but I think he would have finished last. I think this entire thing is a joke. Somehow its the main thing on drf.com for the last 3 days. I know a lot of people feel 1 way or the other about Zenyatta but she won a BC Classic and Ladies Classic and finished second in another BC Classic. RR is not in that world, not in that universe. It really is a shame IMO that a starter allowance horse has this record. This record should be held by an old throwback war horse, a G1 caliber horse. Hell even Zenyatta instead of RR.

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

I know thats the point Im making. Not only would he have not had a chance to win against NY breds, but I think he would have finished last. I think this entire thing is a joke. Somehow its the main thing on drf.com for the last 3 days. I know a lot of people feel 1 way or the other about Zenyatta but she won a BC Classic and Ladies Classic and finished second in another BC Classic. RR is not in that world, not in that universe. It really is a shame IMO that a starter allowance horse has this record. This record should be held by an old throwback war horse, a G1 caliber horse. Hell even Zenyatta instead of RR.

He's a hell of a lot closer to a throwback warhorse than Zenyatta.

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

I know thats the point Im making. I think this entire thing is a joke. Somehow its the main thing on drf.com for the last 3 days. I know a lot of people feel 1 way or the other about Zenyatta but she won a BC Classic and Ladies Classic and finished second in another BC Classic. RR is not in that world, not in that universe. It really is a shame IMO that a starter allowance horse has this record. This record should be held by an old throwback war horse, a G1 caliber horse. Hell even Zenyatta instead of RR.

Joseph there's nothing else going on. The BC is over, it's the end of the year and it's a Monday, what else should the DRF talk about/be covering? So he won 20 in a row, great, nice story. No one is saying that he's better than Zenyatta because he broke the streak. The only thing that he definitely accomplished tonight is that he'll probably be an answer on Jeopardy somewhere down the road.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

Joseph there's nothing else going on. The BC is over, it's the end of the year and it's a Monday, what else should the DRF talk about/be covering? So he won 20 in a row, great, nice story. No one is saying that he's better than Zenyatta because he broke the streak. The only thing that he definitely accomplished tonight is that he'll probably be an answer on Jeopardy somewhere down the road.

This post is the problem with the sport. Nothing else going on? 4 solid stakes at Aqu Saturday including a Grade 1. The Clark on Friday at Churchill and the best card I can remember at Hollywood on Friday. Thats the stuff that needs to be marketed.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

I know thats the point Im making. Not only would he have not had a chance to win against NY breds, but I think he would have finished last. I think this entire thing is a joke. Somehow its the main thing on drf.com for the last 3 days. I know a lot of people feel 1 way or the other about Zenyatta but she won a BC Classic and Ladies Classic and finished second in another BC Classic. RR is not in that world, not in that universe. It really is a shame IMO that a starter allowance horse has this record. This record should be held by an old throwback war horse, a G1 caliber horse. Hell even Zenyatta instead of RR.

Win streaks need to be taken into context of the competition. They arent really records, they are novelties. But at least Zenyatta was running in graded stakes company even if it was usually pretty weak graded company. RR is a nice story but he is running in races now that seem to be created for him to win. To his credit he has won a distances from 5f to 1 1/8.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

I know thats the point Im making. Not only would he have not had a chance to win against NY breds, but I think he would have finished last. I think this entire thing is a joke. Somehow its the main thing on drf.com for the last 3 days. I know a lot of people feel 1 way or the other about Zenyatta but she won a BC Classic and Ladies Classic and finished second in another BC Classic. RR is not in that world, not in that universe. It really is a shame IMO that a starter allowance horse has this record. This record should be held by an old throwback war horse, a G1 caliber horse. Hell even Zenyatta instead of RR.

of course he hasn't got the same talent level. but the big thing zenyatta had going for her was the streak-this ought to show that isn't enough for hall of fame inclusion. of course her sharing the streak with pepper's pride should have shown that.
he's in where he belongs, and keeps winning. nothing wrong with that.
it's not a shame he holds it; the shame is that people put so much emphasis on her doing that, while paying no attention to the fact that a supposed top horse took that many years to compile 20 starts. that's the shame. this horse did it in one year.

[Rudeboyelvis]

Originally Posted by Danzig

of course he hasn't got the same talent level. but the big thing zenyatta had going for her was the streak-this ought to show that isn't enough for hall of fame inclusion. of course her sharing the streak with pepper's pride should have shown that.
he's in where he belongs, and keeps winning. nothing wrong with that.
it's not a shame he holds it; the shame is that people put so much emphasis on her doing that, while paying no attention to the fact that a supposed top horse took that many years to compile 20 starts. that's the shame. this horse did it in one year.

I think this misses the point that Chuck and PG are trying to make entirely. I'm not discrediting the accomplishment, but it needs to be taken in it's proper context. He had the distinct pleasure of enjoying this condition for a calendar year. It was a complete an utter anomaly that a horse with this talent (that of about a 25-30k claimer) was put in for 5k, and as a result, got to beat up on short fields of 5k claimers in nothing more than published workouts for the calendar year. To his credit, he did it at just about every distance they write, and was flawless in doing so.

If you think Robert Cole is interested in the "well being" of this amazing talent, I'd suggest you check his history. He ran this horse every opportunity he had, and, if we're being honest, didn't need to put forth much effort at all to win them. He simply towered over his competition for a year because he was a 25k horse that ran 5k races. Nothing super sporting about that - in context.

If he retires (and that's what I've read) it is because he no longer has this advantage come Jan 1st., and will now have to face the reality of being an medium level claiming type on the mid-Atlantic circuit.

Real races, that actually take a toll and require time off between them.

[ellpol]

Rudeboy you are correct sir. Cole is not the nicest considerate human I have ever met, he is in it for the Money. Not that there is anything wrong with that. But the health and welfare of RR is last on his list of considerations IMHO.