Occupy Wall Street live - Day of Action

[Riot]

Check the live stream - there are masked anarchists knocking over police barriers, trying to incite. The rest of the protesters are marching peacefully.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Riot

Check the live stream - there are masked anarchists knocking over police barriers, trying to incite. The rest of the protesters are marching peacefully.

and therein lies the rub. it's not exactly easy for the cops to say yes, no, no, no, yes as far as who is a real protester, and who isn't. so, they tell people to move along, and then the problems start. people get arrested, pepper sprayed, injured, etc, and then the cops are the bad guy.
and people sit at home, watching on their monitor or tv and bitch about protesters getting picked on.
it reminds me of the military. people are all gung ho to get in a war, and then they start bashing the soldiers when everything doesn't go just right. easy to judge from the easy chair.
so, the foot soldiers and beat cops put their lives on the line, and the generals and chiefs of police give the orders, and people bitch at the guys on the street-cause they're all worthless, no good sob's.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Danzig

and therein lies the rub. it's not exactly easy for the cops to say yes, no, no, no, yes as far as who is a real protester, and who isn't. so, they tell people to move along, and then the problems start. people get arrested, pepper sprayed, injured, etc, and then the cops are the bad guy.
and people sit at home, watching on their monitor or tv and bitch about protesters getting picked on.
it reminds me of the military. people are all gung ho to get in a war, and then they start bashing the soldiers when everything doesn't go just right. easy to judge from the easy chair.
so, the foot soldiers and beat cops put their lives on the line, and the generals and chiefs of police give the orders, and people bitch at the guys on the street-cause they're all worthless, no good sob's.

Oh, yeah: when there's multiple video views, start to finish, with no editing, it is sure easy to pick out when the police screw up. After all, even a police chief reversed his ruling after viewing one citzen-taken video on YouTube, that contradicted his officers stories.

And some of the hangers-on to the protests, too. For example, the guy they took down today in Zuccotti - I think he deserved it (he was probably Black Bloc tactics) When the protesters are calm, and peaceful, but you have a group of people dressed in black, wearing hoodies, and facemasks - which doesn't fit?

[Riot]

http://www.ustream.tv/theother99#utm...medium=9488285

Livestream from the head of the march towards Foley.

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by Riot

The fact that peaceful legal protest is ... legal seems to have perhaps changed a bit since the Patriot Act. Or maybe it was never a right we really had. Although people literally carrying guns at a rally near the President was tolerated. You'd think unarmed people wouldn't be a threat!
They have paraded and protested all over the city for 2 months now. Today was different because they made a threat to close the exchange.

I don't think the protesters should occupy Bank of America lobby. I don't see anything wrong with keep the street in front of NYSE blocked (as it pretty much as been since 9-11). Protesters should not be allowed to block a street (so others can't use it) without a permit.
The security by the exchnge is always tight. Besides that, there's really not much room over there for a ton of people.

But, hundreds of people in a 24-hour a day park is LEGAL. Walking along a sidewalk is LEGAL. Chanting and carrying signs is LEGAL. When a hundred extra cops surround Zuccotti, because they are going to arrest the guy who was kicking barriers, and someone says, "please let me out", and they say, "sorry" - that's simply not right.
It's not right, but did you think that there might have been other factors involved? Maybe they needed to keep the group together because they were looking for somene in particular.

There are nearly a hundred Occupies in the US right now - and some are there with the blessing of the city, and some are fraught with disaster (Oakland). But everyone has the right to free speech, freedom of assembly, etc.
Let's be truthful, for the amount of people marching/involved, there have been a couple of isolated incidents. It's a very tough situation and it's not always going to go down perfectly.



No. The police kept people from getting to work this morning, around Zuccotti. People trying to get into Wall Street for job interviews were not allowed in (they had no corporate ID), and people trying to get into the subway stop there this am were not allowed past unless they were wearing suits, etc. One young guy (wearing a nice sweater, tie, neat) wasn't allowed through into the subway because he looks like a protester, and he was complaining to the cameraman that now he'd be late to work, had to go blocks out of his way to another stop - the protesters were not in that area.

Firms and buisnesses were warned ahead of time of protocals so that they would be able to prepare for what to do to get guests in to the area this morning. Like I said above, unfortunately it's not always going to be perfect.

Originally Posted by Riot

Check the live stream - there are masked anarchists knocking over police barriers, trying to incite. The rest of the protesters are marching peacefully.

How do you know they aren't part of the protest/movement? So everything bad is the cops/mayor's fault and when they movement does something wrong, there not part of the REAL movement.

Originally Posted by Riot

Their lives are not negatively affected, when streets are not blocked, when protests are peaceful, when others are not blocked from their daily activity.
I think more people would be on board if they knew what the protest was really about. It hs become this ten thousand head monster. The movement needs one solemn voice so people could really understand.


FTFY. You mean like the Tea Party taking over all the healthcare town halls in 2008? God, that was awful! Yes - the protesters are trying to draw attention. And it's not because they are narcissists.

Right, cause those town hall meeting were on the up and up. With all the hand picked layup questions. .

[geeker2]

It's a beautiful thing man.....

http://www.owsexposed.com/photo-gallery/

[Riot]

How do you know they aren't part of the protest/movement? So everything bad is the cops/mayor's fault and when they movement does something wrong, there not part of the REAL movement.

Some are. There are people that want to use violence like Black Bloc techniques. They are constantly voted down and told no.

Anarchists tend to show up dressed in black, hooded, masked, and willing to cause trouble (like the guy throwing the barriers around today, that was arrested - and should have been, IMO)

Then there's the bunch of half-crazies that shows up for any protest, as an excuse to try and incite violence. Then theres infiltrative agent provacateurs (some off duty cops have been identified)

But the massive majority of this protest is calm and peaceful. It's outliers that are not - both on the side of the cops and of the protesters. You don't hear about the peaceful. I'll bet most people are not even aware how big the movement is, or that it's international, that it's coordinated, and well-planned. Our media certainly does not help. Lawsuit filed against Oakland for police brutality, and today for another jurisdiction (I forget which one).

You can't do that any more - there is too much video, even if the NYPD does erase all video and pictures from the cell phones of people they arrested in the last 24 hours. There is too much extraneous citizen video.

The protest reiterates, over and over, city after city, thousands of people involved, that it will be peaceful, and those that choose to get arrested for civil disobedience (refusing to move and vacate, for example) should remain completely passive, not resist, etc. Protesters have stopped violence and vandalism. Most cops have been great, some have been awful, hurting people that were not breaking any law nor declining to follow police instructions.

And no, I do NOT agree with closing the NYSE, with delaying the opening bell, with occupying the lobby of Bank of America, etc. Protesters should not do that.

[Riot]

This has to be at least 5,000 people:

Overhead helicopter view:
http://www.myfoxny.com/subindex/video/live_video_2

From from pedestrian walkway on bridge:
http://www.ustream.tv/theother99#utm...medium=9488285

[Riot]

Overhead helicopter view, above, Fox 5 News:

Estimates 10,000 protesters, stretching for mile across bridge, with more on each side.

Verizon Building, multiple stories tall, at base of Brooklyn bridge, has huge light display on side:

"We are the 99%"
"Love"
"We are winning"
"Mic Check"
"We can change the world"

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by Riot

Some are. There are people that want to use violence like Black Bloc techniques. They are constantly voted down and told no.

Anarchists tend to show up dressed in black, hooded, masked, and willing to cause trouble (like the guy throwing the barriers around today, that was arrested - and should have been, IMO)

Then there's the bunch of half-crazies that shows up for any protest, as an excuse to try and incite violence. Then theres infiltrative agent provacateurs (some off duty cops have been identified)

But the massive majority of this protest is calm and peaceful. It's outliers that are not - both on the side of the cops and of the protesters. You don't hear about the peaceful. I'll bet most people are not even aware how big the movement is, or that it's international, that it's coordinated, and well-planned. Our media certainly does not help. Lawsuit filed against Oakland for police brutality, and today for another jurisdiction (I forget which one).

You can't do that any more - there is too much video, even if the NYPD does erase all video and pictures from the cell phones of people they arrested in the last 24 hours. There is too much extraneous citizen video.

The protest reiterates, over and over, city after city, thousands of people involved, that it will be peaceful, and those that choose to get arrested for civil disobedience (refusing to move and vacate, for example) should remain completely passive, not resist, etc. Protesters have stopped violence and vandalism. Most cops have been great, some have been awful, hurting people that were not breaking any law nor declining to follow police instructions.

And no, I do NOT agree with closing the NYSE, with delaying the opening bell, with occupying the lobby of Bank of America, etc. Protesters should not do that.

This protest has gone on pretty peacefully in NY for over 2 months. Sure there have been a few bumps in the road, but if you really think where these people were camping out(illegally)/marching all over the place, it's been relatively calm. Today was different because of the threats that they made. But I also think patience is running thin. How much overtime is NY city/state and the taxpayers supposed to pay for? What is the movement's end game? Obviously they have some legit issues, but like I mentioned before, the whole movement has become this 10,000 headed monster with everyone complaining about something else. Let's face it, the damage has already been done. There is no backtracking. Why don't they camp out in front of the White House, maybe that will get something done. Let the President see it outside of his door everyday. Maybe that will get him to do something about jobs. Because by the looks of it, all they are stating to do is spin their wheels in New York city.

For the record, even if they prevented every single person from going in to the NYSE this morning, they would have opened buisness as usual. Despite what people think, the people on the floor are dying a slow death. Between over regulation and automation it's just a matter of time before that place is a museum. Then we'll see how all the NY state government programs run without all that taxed revenue coming in. But that's for another thread at another time.

[Riot]

There is an Occupy DC, there has been for 6 weeks.

Occupy has always had a clear, main message: economic inequality, created by our government being owned by corporations, and citizens losing power in our democracy. Anybody saying "no message" isn't listening.

There is a massive police presence, far more than probably needed. Save some bucks, keep some cops back. No need for overwhelming brutal force show.

Today the police were reported as calmer, smiling, assumption was they are getting used to the protesters and realize violence rare and not supported, are treating protesters differently.

Fox News estimates 10,000; NBC News estimates 20,000. Still on bridge but coming back to Zuccotti slowly.

MSM writing stories about how only a few hundred protesters were there, and how big a failure today was.

Reports from the Occupy 2 month Anniversary in other cities coming in.

I'll bet nobody knows that OWS pushed Change Your Bank day, and 400,000 new credit union accounts (removing money from BoA, Chase, etc.) were created in October, and BoA rescinded it's $5 debit fee planned raise due to public pressure. Occupy is working. Our media isn't reporting it. But the information is there. Just have to look at the "new" media.