Penn State

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by Cardus

What they did was "silly"?

That is how you describe chanting and marching -- and, yes, according to at least one media type -- destroying property to defend a coach who wouldn't defend children being raped? He had the power to do something.

It's not like Paterno violated NCAA rules and was being railroaded out of town.

HE DID NOTHING TO STOP SANDUSKY.

"Silly" can describe a lot of college-age antics, but wanting Paterno to continue coaching after what happened this week is depraved.

Lots of things are depraved. We are trained to worship elites. I stated flat out paterno should be fired immediately as well as Spanier. Then man was a legend and a huge part of the university for 61 years. Gee, some disagreed with my opinion, many of them 19 year olds. No, you should not riot and a few did damage to the city and property. That is bad. The overwhelming majority did not.

We once had a presidential administration knowingly lie to get us into a war that has killed multiple thousands of human beings...including multiple thousands of Americans. They set up a world wide torture ring, knowlingly and proudly. There isn't a bit of outrage or anything. They walk around smiling and on TV most of the time. The facts are the majority of people in this country accept the torture of other human beings as a good thing, and we all think it's fine. Our current administration summarily executes US Citizens and no one blinks an eye. The last two administrations put people in gulags for "indefinite detention" forever if they so desire. No one blinks an eye. What went on at Penn State was depraved without question and is despicable up and down the chain. It does not make the place I attended college a cess pool. Just like I don't think the United States is a cess pool despite the last two administrations doing depraved things. So yeah, let's express outrage at several hundred 18 and 19 year old Penn State students protesting a firing of a legend. That's what's really important. AGain, I think their opinion is flat wrong but I certainly understand it.

So some 19 year old thinking Paterno shouldn't be fired is far down on my list of depraved things going on in this world. People have a right to express dismay at the Paterno firing although they shouldn't damage property doing it. I don't agree with their opinion but they certainly have a right to have it...thinking Paterno should not have been fired.

[Calzone Lord]

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[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by Cardus

We are trained to worship elites? Is this taught at Penn State? I wasn't taught this. It sounds like Nazism.

Your post reads like an "relativist" defense, but we are talking about this instance.

Announcing that anyone has a "right" to express dismay is not the point; whether it is a moral defense is the point.

What the protesting students are doing, whether they know it or not -- and shame on them if they do not understand this notion -- is defending a man who protected a pedophile. There is no way around that.

It is unfathomable to me that any human being would put their idolatry before the lives of innocent children. And those who do are wrong.

We are not talking about a coach who violated NCAA rules, or blew a .11, or had a drug problem. I could see a mass protest if that were the case.

Is pedophilia in a "gray area"?

Those who treat it as such -- and I expect 18-21 year-olds to get this -- are immoral.

Good post. I do not worhsip elites...an extremely large percentage of Americans do. A lot of people actually respected and still do, Ronald Reagan, another senile criminal bastard of similar strain as Joe Paterno. I view the misguided students worshipping Paterno as those who actually think Reagan was someone to be admired. He isn't, nor is paterno at this point. I was hopeful Paterno was just a doddering old fool hanging on for meaningless records. I was sadly wrong. I think the students currently at Penn State doing their stuff on Wednesday night holding joe vigils were simply misguided which I understand. I feel the same about people who still think Ronald REagan was a good man. He wasn't. Many people will disagree with me on that which is fine, but that is why I defended the misguided students at Penn State. Simply misguided at this time.

[clyde]

Originally Posted by Cardus

Another "relativist" defense: Joe Paterno is bad, but so is Ronald Reagan.

I understand that you are contextualizing this -- while revealing your political leanings quite clearly -- but is it necessary?

The above nitwiticizm comes to you from the Cowardly Lion.


CardMe...go brownie up one of the idols over at NA...you don't work here.

[clyde]

Come and shoot me.









Oh...and explain why I am a loser.

[clyde]

Originally Posted by Cardus

I use a word for people like you: faux.

Fuc_ing loser.

Not exactly a deep thinker, are ya.




Did you know they talk behind your back at NA?

There's a secret members room there and they think you are yuk 'em up.

[clyde]

Originally Posted by Cardus

CardMe?

Lame.

Fuc_ing loser.

I agree...it is a lame name.

[clyde]

Come on CardUs....we don't have all night here.

[clyde]

Originally Posted by Cardus

Apparently, you do.

This is your entire life: being a fuc_ing loser in Internet Land.

And you are ...where?...right now...doing what?

[clyde]

Uhm... I didn't get your answer there, CardThem.



Are you going to evade the question like you evade winning horsey's?