Jobs bill, infrastructure repair and bank 51-47 Senate vote

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Originally Posted by Danzig

you only hold half the govt at at fault,

No. I don't. I just said I don't.

Here is a video highlighting the vast differences between the left (not the Dems, who are not left) and what's left of the base of the Republican party (the hate-filled and gullible) http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/1...n_1073755.html

Obviously, this guy is not representative of all the GOP, but yes, he's exactly what the GOP has been trying to appease since Pat Buchanan ran. The GOP doesn't disown these crazies - they encourage it. They feed them lies. The GOP let them out of the upstairs with Sarah Palin, and it's been downhill since. The Republican party has been abandoned in droves these past four years. I'm one of them. No, they are not Democrats, they are calling themselves Independents.

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the last line in the initial post on this thread is why i believe you only hold half at fault. you so often take that line. you consistently point fingers at one party and take them to task for their obstructionism, but almost never have criticism for the democrats. if that's not the case, great.

i think there needs to be a major overhaul, with as many officeholders getting voted out as possible. there's got to be a way to break the hold that lobbyists have, and how else to do that except vote out those who are on the take?

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the last line in the initial post on this thread is why i believe you only hold half at fault. you so often take that line. you consistently point fingers at one party and take them to task for their obstructionism, but almost never have criticism for the democrats. if that's not the case, great.

Because the current Republican party is so very much more dangerous and useless than the current Democratic party. The GOP is an easy target, they are so appalling. Plenty to dislike from the Dems, but the GOP easily far outdoes them. They are not the same. You say both sides are obstructionist. Not equally, not at all. You say both sides are out for themselves. Not equally, no. The current Dems are like the GOP was 20 years ago.

Today 13,000 people surrounded the White House, protesting the tar sands Keystone pipeline. Didn't even see that on the evening news. The "mainstream", both the media and the politicos, are completely missing what is happening in this country. Their heads are in the sand. They have also lost control of the narrative. It's being told, live, via Twitter, Facebook and Youtube. And this political force, that will control the next election, isn't beholden to either Dems or Republicans.

I think the first major overhaul is to get money out of elections. Public funding, period. Limit donations to individuals for $100. Citizen's United was a disaster for this country. The Supreme Court will never reverse it, but the election laws can be changed. That will involve throwing out most of the politicians in Washington, yes, indeed.

Oh - and Congressmen and Senators can give up their lifetime of healthcare and guaranteed full pensions for serving just one term.