Getting 10 furlongs...

Indian Charlie · #1 11-03-2011, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

Here's a good example of a horse "getting" a super easy 10 furlongs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iuCxq...el_video_title

That son of Speightstown can't stay it with pressure.

Tizway was a flat 5th in the Dirt Mile last year while the pathetic Dakota Phone (trailing even Mine That Bird early) won the race. That was such a hard Mile for Tizway because he's not the type of horse who can take back and make one run -- like you can Dakota Phone.

I realize people here are smarter than the tard fest I read on Facebook --- but basically, a horse with a style of Uncle Mo, Tizway, Haynesfield etc. will have an easier time getting a soft 10 furlongs than they will chasing The Factor and four other horses with world class dirt speed in a no-breather 8 furlong dirt race.

I don't know why this seems to be such a difficult concept for people to grasp.

While I mostly agree with this post and the one in the other BC thread, I don't think Mo would be disgraced in the dirt mile, but I think his win chances in the BCC are significantly higher.

Clip-Clop · #2 11-03-2011, 01:38 PM

This dirt mile is going to be balls out, it is most certainly not the place to have Mo.

Calzone Lord · #3 11-03-2011, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

This dirt mile is going to be balls out, it is most certainly not the place to have Mo.

Yep.

To Beyer's column yesterday -- considering there is no next year ... Pletcher did the right thing by insisting on running UM in the Classic instead of the Dirt Mile.

If there was a next year for Uncle Mo -- the move would have been to bypass the Breeders Cup and run in the Cigar Mile at AQU with the typical Pletcher spacing off a big number.

Clip-Clop · #4 11-03-2011, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

Yep.

To Beyer's column yesterday -- considering there is no next year ... Pletcher did the right thing by insisting on running UM in the Classic instead of the Dirt Mile.

If there was a next year for Uncle Mo -- the move would have been to bypass the Breeders Cup and run in the Cigar Mile at AQU with the typical Pletcher spacing off a big number.

He would have thrived there for sure. From TAP's standpoint it must be over after Saturday. Having the favorite (weak or not) is not a bad place to be in a race with ? marks all over it.

King Glorious · #5 11-03-2011, 07:40 PM

This was the same logic I used in saying Zito was making a mistake by running Commentator in top class sprints. Same reason I preferred horses like Lion Heart and Bellamy Road in the Travers rather than the King's Bishop.

Calzone Lord · #6 11-03-2011, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious

This was the same logic I used in saying Zito was making a mistake by running Commentator in top class sprints. Same reason I preferred horses like Lion Heart and Bellamy Road in the Travers rather than the King's Bishop.

Commentator and Lion Heart weren't as capable of rating and going as slow up front as UM can do.

Bellamy Road is the closest style wise of those three.

Indian Charlie · #7 11-04-2011, 01:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

Commentator and Lion Heart weren't as capable of rating and going as slow up front as UM can do.

Bellamy Road is the closest style wise of those three.

No kidding.

I thought his Timely Writer performance was huge.

RolloTomasi · #8 11-03-2011, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious

Same reason I preferred horses like Lion Heart and Bellamy Road in the Travers rather than the King's Bishop.

Neither horse won the Travers. In fact, both horses were undefeated in sprints. Lion Heart broke a stakes record the only time he ran 7f.

Calzone Lord · #9 11-03-2011, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

Neither horse won the Travers. In fact, both horses were undefeated in sprints. Lion Heart broke a stakes record the only time he ran 7f.

Lion Heart was a better sprinter. He was a sales topper at FT Calder as well.

I was initally convinced that both Smarty Jones and Afleet Alex were MUCH better sprinters. Both of them could rate -- and in AA's case, could take back.

Smarty Jones, Afleet Alex, and Funny Cide all seemed much less likely to prefer a route VS a sprint ... but they had the seasoning and foundation and all that.

UM has the opposite look. He looks like the type of horse who should be much more successful routing than sprinting -- but he hasn't stayed healthy.