11/4 (CD): Breeders' Cup Friday (Final Fields)

[Kasept]

Juvenile Fillies Turf adds some names besides Flay's Dear Lavinia:

Hard Not to Like (G. Cox)
Karlovy Vary (Arnold)
My Gi Gi (Koriner)
Questing (Gosden) -- Juvenile Fillies*
Stopshoppingmaria (Pletcher) -- Juvenile Fillies*

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Kasept

Juvenile Fillies Turf adds some names besides Flay's Dear Lavinia:

Hard Not to Like (G. Cox)
Karlovy Vary (Arnold)
My Gi Gi (Koriner)
Questing (Gosden) -- Juvenile Fillies*
Stopshoppingmaria (Pletcher) -- Juvenile Fillies*

Just the idea that they are even considering running Stopshoppingmaria in the turf makes me feel Todd has zero confidence in her.

[Dahoss]

I know I'm really reaching, but how about Champagne D'oro in the Filly and Mare Sprint? The Princess Rooney was an ambitious spot off the break and she actually ran pretty well there considering she was pretty close to a pace that totally collapsed, it was her first race in 6 months and she was in tight turning for home.

In the Honorable Miss she was up against it on a drying out track that seemed to favor inside speed. Then she was stretched out (not really sure why) for her last two. At Monmouth she was reserved off the lead wide and seemed to just sort of give up. But last time she did some running, on the engine the entire way and although the race was farther than she wants to go, she ran deceptively well I think. Now she shortens up to what is probably her best distance and might be rounding back into her best form.

Obviously if Turbulent Descent shows up with her "A" game they are all likely running for 2nd, but do you really want a short price on her? I think all of the gaps (as planned as they may be) are a concern. Tanda seems interesting also considering the ride she got in her lone dirt start.

[Mawhip]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

I know I'm really reaching, but how about Champagne D'oro in the Filly and Mare Sprint? The Princess Rooney was an ambitious spot off the break and she actually ran pretty well there considering she was pretty close to a pace that totally collapsed, it was her first race in 6 months and she was in tight turning for home.

In the Honorable Miss she was up against it on a drying out track that seemed to favor inside speed. Then she was stretched out (not really sure why) for her last two. At Monmouth she was reserved off the lead wide and seemed to just sort of give up. But last time she did some running, on the engine the entire way and although the race was farther than she wants to go, she ran deceptively well I think. Now she shortens up to what is probably her best distance and might be rounding back into her best form.

Obviously if Turbulent Descent shows up with her "A" game they are all likely running for 2nd, but do you really want a short price on her? I think all of the gaps (as planned as they may be) are a concern. Tanda seems interesting also considering the ride she got in her lone dirt start.

Looking like the early candidate for worst Breeder's Cup opinion.

[Mawhip]

I just looked at her PP's and I was wrong. Certainly not the worst opinion. Didn't realize how bad this field is other than Turbulent Decent who is hard to trust like you said.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Mawhip

Looking like the early candidate for worst Breeder's Cup opinion.

I thought it was kind of interesting.

Believe me, you will have far worse ones.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by Mawhip

Looking like the early candidate for worst Breeder's Cup opinion.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jne9t8sHpUc&ob=av3e

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jne9t8sHpUc&ob=av3e

Worst voice from a female singer evah!

Ugh.

Sounds like what I'd imagine a goat taking it in the rear from a grizzly bear would be.

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Just the idea that they are even considering running Stopshoppingmaria in the turf makes me feel Todd has zero confidence in her.

Not just considering.. JF Turf is her preference.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Kasept

Not just considering.. JF Turf is her preference.

Who is "her" the filly? What does she know she is a horse. She is 1100 lbs with the brain as large as a cell phone

[Travis Stone]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Just the idea that they are even considering running Stopshoppingmaria in the turf makes me feel Todd has zero confidence in her.

You don't hear Pletcher talk about his stock like this too often...

“We’ll work her over the grass this weekend and then make a decision as to which race she’ll run in,” Pletcher said. “She’s by More Than Ready, and More Than Readys have been very successful on the grass. We felt her race in the Frizette was not quite as good as we’d expected, and although she worked well on Sunday, she didn’t gallop out as strongly as she has before. By pre-entering her in both races, it puts us in a position to have as many options as possible.”

http://www.drf.com/news/breeders-cup...hurchill-downs

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by Travis Stone

You don't hear Pletcher talk about his stock like this too often...

Good stuff. Maybe she's having a reaction to lasix. A surface switch should help.

The KHRC and BC committee don't need to worry about another Life At Ten incident. I think he's learned his lesson. He realizes now he should have run Life At Ten in the Filly and Mare Turf.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by Travis Stone

You don't hear Pletcher talk about his stock like this too often...



http://www.drf.com/news/breeders-cup...hurchill-downs

Lately, he seems a bit more forthcoming and honest when he's been interviewed about his stock.

The other day I read him say something about not being happy with a workout for one of his 2yos, for instance.

[-BT-]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Just the idea that they are even considering running Stopshoppingmaria in the turf makes me feel Todd has zero confidence in her.

just curious as to why you think this is so far fetched andy? aside from the obvious that she's never run on the turf of course.

her work today looked pretty good, not sure if you caught it

-bt-

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by -BT-

just curious as to why you think this is so far fetched andy? aside from the obvious that she's never run on the turf of course.

her work today looked pretty good, not sure if you caught it

-bt-

Because the dirt race is far more prestigeous and Todd thinking of trying the turf for the first time, instead of the more important race, where she would hardly be a huge price, gives me the impression he has no confidence in her. Much like the lack of confidence he showed in Sidney's Candy when he ran him in the Fourstardave and likely devalued him.

She's got plenty of turf breeding, but you don't run her here unless you've pretty much given up on the dirt. It seems too early for that....but I trust Todd's opinion much more than most.

[ateamstupid]

That was an absurd DQ.

[hockey2315]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

That was an absurd DQ.

It was a whip thing--auto-DQ.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

It was a whip thing--auto-DQ.

That's the only plausible explanation.

[hockey2315]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

That's the only plausible explanation.

Ya - that's what they said on the track feed. I needed 6, but figured I had no chance after seeing the head-on.

[pointman]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

That's the only plausible explanation.

I didn't see the whip, but I was watching replay on my office computer on a small screen where it is hard to see that kind of detail. Did the rider of the 7 strike the 6 horse in the face with the whip? Seemed like the 7 was forced into the 6 by the horse towards the rail, I think the 9.