Presque Isle form holding up really well..

[Kasept]

Seems any horse coming out of PID is capable of strong efforts on any surface. PID to Keeneland runners are grossly apparent daily, and even It's Me Mom, not seen since June after 3 Presque starts, bested Nicole H for Lynne Scace and Willie Martinez Saturday in the Suffolk stake at a fat 12-1. Listening to TVG while driving to KY Saturday, and Simon Bray was noting the Presque Isle form, to wit:

KEE 1: 1st, 2nd, 4th
KEE 3: 1st, 2nd
KEE 7: 2nd, 3rd

DougS? A lot of these horses are getting off at big prices too..

[PatCummings]

Originally Posted by Kasept

Seems any horse coming out of PID is capable of strong efforts on any surface. PID to Keeneland runners are grossly apparent daily, and even It's Me Mom, not seen since June after 3 Presque starts, bested Nicole H for Lynne Scace and Willie Martinez Saturday in the Suffolk stake at a fat 12-1. Listening to TVG while driving to KY Saturday, and Simon Bray was noting the Presque Isle form, to wit:

KEE 1: 1st, 2nd, 4th
KEE 3: 1st, 2nd, 3rd EDIT
KEE 7: 2nd, 3rd

DougS? A lot of these horses are getting off at big prices too..

I've followed this meet this year more than ever before, and it's striking how solid they've been, Steve. I've specifically looked at betting horses who were running wide and going even deeper to horses who ran wide and ran well versus running wide and fading. Was kicking myself yesterday when betting the 11 Sparkling Springs who was 3rd in the third at 26-1, and not betting the 5 or 6 who ran 1-2 and were both sporting PID form, just liked the value the 11 was offering. Used all three in a P4 that was already dead, but didn't play intra-race.

What I find somewhat remarkable about it is that PID form holds up almost regardless of condition - claimers are running well, allowance horses too, even in the stakes. Not only are these horses improving off the Tapeta, but they also are, generally, ignored by the bettors on a regular basis. Here are the stats...

Through 10/22/2011 - 96 starters at KEE Fall 2011 made their last start at PID: 12 - 1st, 10 - 2nd, 12 - 3rd...62 off the board

Average odds of winners at current KEE meet who last ran at PID: 9-1

Number of horses last running at PID to go off favored in KEE race - 4

Number of horses last running at PID to win as favorite in KEE race - 1

[Sightseek]

Isn't this essentially the same thing that has been happening the past few years?

[Bigsmc]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

Isn't this essentially the same thing that has been happening the past few years?

At Keeneland? Yes.

[fantini33]

Arlington turf seems to transfer nicely to Keeneland main as well.

[cal828]

Originally Posted by Kasept

Seems any horse coming out of PID is capable of strong efforts on any surface. PID to Keeneland runners are grossly apparent daily, and even It's Me Mom, not seen since June after 3 Presque starts, bested Nicole H for Lynne Scace and Willie Martinez Saturday in the Suffolk stake at a fat 12-1. Listening to TVG while driving to KY Saturday, and Simon Bray was noting the Presque Isle form, to wit:

KEE 1: 1st, 2nd, 4th
KEE 3: 1st, 2nd
KEE 7: 2nd, 3rd

DougS? A lot of these horses are getting off at big prices too..

There is one in the feature race. #3 Grecian Maiden. Modest figs, but has a bullet work and making her third start off the layoff. Also ran 5 wide in second start which was at PID. Might be able to surprise in this field in which 7 are coming off layoffs?

Originally Posted by cal828

There is one in the feature race. #3 Grecian Maiden. Modest figs, but has a bullet work and making her third start off the layoff. Also ran 5 wide in second start which was at PID. Might be able to surprise in this field in which 7 are coming off layoffs?

The feauture race you are talking about is on turf. Does the PID synthetic race last out translates onto Kee turf too?

[cal828]

Originally Posted by helicopter11

The feauture race you are talking about is on turf. Does the PID synthetic race last out translates onto Kee turf too?

See first sentence of Steve's post.

Silver Summation won the 5th at 10-1 down from 20-1 M/L. Finished 2nd to Hoofit at PID who won the Phoenix

[hockey2315]

The ROI was $3.38 for all PID shippers on synth when I calculated it Tuesday (I think). . . up from there now obviously.

[Calzone Lord]

Shippers who come into PID from the biggest circuits (especially on turf and dirt) often perform well below that form at PID ... but no one ever seems to notice or talk about that .... because no one bets PID.

This years PID meet featured - on paper - a far more fascinating and far more interesting betting product than any other track in the country because of the high volume of shippers and tremendous complexity involved with handicapping so many of the races carded.

However, no one bets there.

[pmayjr]

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

Shippers who come into PID from the biggest circuits (especially on turf and dirt) often perform well below that form at PID ... but no one ever seems to notice or talk about that .... because no one bets PID.

This years PID meet featured - on paper - a far more fascinating and far more interesting betting product than any other track in the country because of the high volume of shippers and tremendous complexity involved with handicapping so many of the races carded.

However, no one bets there.

Well said Calzone.

Correct me if I'm wrong on this, but I heard PID has a very limited # of barns and living quarters for horsemen, etc (this place is a track connected to a casino, not the other way around lol)?

But a lot of horses get shipped in due to the nice slot $ fueled purses. And it's close enough to other tracks to make shipping in "do-able".

As far as people ignoring the place, it's new and they have really weird late afternoon post times. Isn't like tue, wed, fri, sat 4pm est? I think they get lost in the simulcast shuffle