Another hidden turf sire angle

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by Pointg5

Bingo...I could tell you that LDK might sire some turf runners...

It's basic knowledge and a little luck if it's 1st timers, there's really no skill involved in handicapping msw's turf or non-turf, unless you are someone like Rupert or others that we have here and have seen the horses train to see how they are moving. I don't mind admitting that, because I have had some of my biggest hits with msw's, but it's nothing more than looking at the pedigree, the trainer stats, worktabs and a little luck, unless you have seen them train...

more or less you just described handicapping in general -- studying the information given and making the most rational decision based on that information. i would argue that handicapping msw's takes a fair amount of skill -- if you don't understand the pedigree then it's useless to look at the pedigree, so understanding that and the trainer angles is skillwork if you ask me.

[Scav]

Empire Maker will be the nuts 1st time routing on the turf.......

Originally Posted by Scav

Empire Maker will be the nuts 1st time routing on the turf.......

Hmm, there's a chance. From what I saw, they looked more "Unbridled" than El Gran Senor. They looked very "dirt".

[Pointg5]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

more or less you just described handicapping in general -- studying the information given and making the most rational decision based on that information. i would argue that handicapping msw's takes a fair amount of skill -- if you don't understand the pedigree then it's useless to look at the pedigree, so understanding that and the trainer angles is skillwork if you ask me.

Not really, I could look and see a horse trained by Steve Asmussen and sired by Gone West will probably be precocious and ready to roll...It's not that hard if it's a 1st timer. Pedigree is not that difficult, most with a basic knowledge like myself could spot precocius sires and they print the trainers stats at the bottom of the page. If they have had a race that's when you can see the trip the horse had, other than that if it's a 1st timer and you have never seen the horse, it's luck and I don't kid myself otherwise...

[Scav]

Originally Posted by Pointg5

Not really, I could look and see a horse trained by Steve Asmussen and sired by Gone West will probably be precocious and ready to roll...It's not that hard if it's a 1st timer. Pedigree is not that difficult, most with a basic knowledge like myself could spot precocius sires and they print the trainers stats at the bottom of the page. If they have had a race that's when you can see the trip the horse had, other than that if it's a 1st timer and you have never seen the horse, it's luck and I don't kid myself otherwise...

You can see a 1st timer in the post parade and see what he is about, I just watch their head, you can tell if a horse is focused or not....

[Pointg5]

Originally Posted by Scav

You can see a 1st timer in the post parade and see what he is about, I just watch their head, you can tell if a horse is focused or not....

Lol! Don't kid yourself...

[Pointg5]

I think Came Home will be a good sire, never really cared much for him as a race horse, but I think he will be a good sire, not exactly breakthrough stuff, seeing as he is by Gone West...I like Zito's horse in the BCJ...

Originally Posted by Pointg5

I think Came Home will be a good sire, never really cared much for him as a race horse, but I think he will be a good sire, not exactly breakthrough stuff, seeing as he is by Gone West...I like Zito's horse in the BCJ...

Came Home has been off to a terrible start so far. Its funny, someone who's eye I respect for horses said she liked them the best as yearlings, but the one's I saw werent anything special. A few seems to be coming on a little late in the year though. He has a filly named Desert Sunrise that should be a runner but she just cant put it together at all. Her dam has thrown class to everything else.