Another hidden turf sire angle

[Pointg5]

Originally Posted by Balletto

Its really quite easy to pick out hidden turf stallions. Lauren Stich does a series every year on the freshman stallions and lists who she thinks will be hidden values on turf. All it takes is a basic grasp of pedigree knowledge.

The real attention should be given to who's get is doing the best on poly. Would love to see those numbers...

Bingo...I could tell you that LDK might sire some turf runners...

It's basic knowledge and a little luck if it's 1st timers, there's really no skill involved in handicapping msw's turf or non-turf, unless you are someone like Rupert or others that we have here and have seen the horses train to see how they are moving. I don't mind admitting that, because I have had some of my biggest hits with msw's, but it's nothing more than looking at the pedigree, the trainer stats, worktabs and a little luck, unless you have seen them train...

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by Pointg5

Bingo...I could tell you that LDK might sire some turf runners...

It's basic knowledge and a little luck if it's 1st timers, there's really no skill involved in handicapping msw's turf or non-turf, unless you are someone like Rupert or others that we have here and have seen the horses train to see how they are moving. I don't mind admitting that, because I have had some of my biggest hits with msw's, but it's nothing more than looking at the pedigree, the trainer stats, worktabs and a little luck, unless you have seen them train...

more or less you just described handicapping in general -- studying the information given and making the most rational decision based on that information. i would argue that handicapping msw's takes a fair amount of skill -- if you don't understand the pedigree then it's useless to look at the pedigree, so understanding that and the trainer angles is skillwork if you ask me.

[Scav]

Empire Maker will be the nuts 1st time routing on the turf.......

Originally Posted by Scav

Empire Maker will be the nuts 1st time routing on the turf.......

Hmm, there's a chance. From what I saw, they looked more "Unbridled" than El Gran Senor. They looked very "dirt".

[Pointg5]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

more or less you just described handicapping in general -- studying the information given and making the most rational decision based on that information. i would argue that handicapping msw's takes a fair amount of skill -- if you don't understand the pedigree then it's useless to look at the pedigree, so understanding that and the trainer angles is skillwork if you ask me.

Not really, I could look and see a horse trained by Steve Asmussen and sired by Gone West will probably be precocious and ready to roll...It's not that hard if it's a 1st timer. Pedigree is not that difficult, most with a basic knowledge like myself could spot precocius sires and they print the trainers stats at the bottom of the page. If they have had a race that's when you can see the trip the horse had, other than that if it's a 1st timer and you have never seen the horse, it's luck and I don't kid myself otherwise...

[Scav]

Originally Posted by Pointg5

Not really, I could look and see a horse trained by Steve Asmussen and sired by Gone West will probably be precocious and ready to roll...It's not that hard if it's a 1st timer. Pedigree is not that difficult, most with a basic knowledge like myself could spot precocius sires and they print the trainers stats at the bottom of the page. If they have had a race that's when you can see the trip the horse had, other than that if it's a 1st timer and you have never seen the horse, it's luck and I don't kid myself otherwise...

You can see a 1st timer in the post parade and see what he is about, I just watch their head, you can tell if a horse is focused or not....

[Pointg5]

Originally Posted by Scav

You can see a 1st timer in the post parade and see what he is about, I just watch their head, you can tell if a horse is focused or not....

Lol! Don't kid yourself...

[Pointg5]

I think Came Home will be a good sire, never really cared much for him as a race horse, but I think he will be a good sire, not exactly breakthrough stuff, seeing as he is by Gone West...I like Zito's horse in the BCJ...

Originally Posted by Pointg5

I think Came Home will be a good sire, never really cared much for him as a race horse, but I think he will be a good sire, not exactly breakthrough stuff, seeing as he is by Gone West...I like Zito's horse in the BCJ...

Came Home has been off to a terrible start so far. Its funny, someone who's eye I respect for horses said she liked them the best as yearlings, but the one's I saw werent anything special. A few seems to be coming on a little late in the year though. He has a filly named Desert Sunrise that should be a runner but she just cant put it together at all. Her dam has thrown class to everything else.