Occupy Wall Street

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

Umm ... from hearing them being interviewed, I'd guess at least 30-40% have heard of Glass-Steagal. Alot of them sound fully informed, and directly reference the removal of laws that protected us from Wall Street malfeasance over the years. That is what OWS is all about. Let's hope they know about it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbZB9...ayer_embedded#!

Yeah ok this is just about fairly obscure financial laws that were repealed a decade and a half ago? 5% was on the high side.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Yeah ok this is just about fairly obscure financial laws that were repealed a decade and a half ago? 5% was on the high side.

If you look at with internet blogs and discussions from the OWS crowd, you'd know they talk about that all the time, as they want it re-instated. It's a major contributor to the current financial disaster OWS is all about.

You don't ever bother to click on a link, or read anything different? No curiosity about this at all?

They say this alot: "First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win" - Ghandi

I guess you guys are at ridicule stage. There is fear it will get ugly in NY tomorrow morning, however, and move into the fight state, as they are going to try and pull the demonstraters out of the park. Let's hope the police don't lose it and become as violent as the Boston PD did the other night.

Knows about Glass-Steagall:


Nurses know about Glass-Steagall:


Definitely knows about Glass-Steagall:

[dellinger63]

At least we'll find out how law-abiding/peaceful they are tomorrow at 7am. EST.

Besides isn't it time to go back to their jobs and families, you know being part of the 99%?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

At least we'll find out how law-abiding/peaceful they are tomorrow at 7am. EST.

Besides isn't it time to go back to their jobs and families, you know being part of the 99%?

They were law abiding and peaceful in Boston, where the police attacked and beat the Veterans for Peace, while destroying their flags - nobody raised a finger against the police as they were hauled to jail.

They've always been law-abiding and peaceful in NY for the month so far. Even in the face of police brutality. Why would you think they would not be?

The plan is complete peaceful resistance at this stage. Timing is good, it can be televised live on the morning shows. Bloomberg will suffer, OWS is too popular with the public.

Lec Walesa is going to join them, but nobody knows for sure what time he'll get to New York.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Riot

They were law abiding and peaceful in Boston, where the police attacked and beat the Veterans for Peace, while destroying their flags - nobody raised a finger against the police as they were hauled to jail.

They've always been law-abiding and peaceful in NY for the month so far. Even in the face of police brutality. Why would you think they would not be?

The plan is complete peaceful resistance at this stage. Timing is good, it can be televised live on the morning shows. Bloomberg will suffer, OWS is too popular with the public.

Lec Walesa is going to join them, but nobody knows for sure what time he'll get to New York.

It is kind of sad because i think a very high pct of Police force support OWS cause.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

They've always been law-abiding and peaceful in NY for the month so far. Even in the face of police brutality. Why would you think they would not be? .

Because I'm not as naive as you? Protest all they want during the day, it's their right to protest in lieu of working a job but camping in parks, especially privately owned ones at night is illegal and should have been enfoced from day one.

Police say the protestors were throwing bottles and bags of garbage at officers, Sandberg reported. Police say they were trying to control the situation when it got out of hand.

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2011/10/...n-wall-street/

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Because I'm not as naive as you? Protest all they want during the day, it's their right to protest in lieu of working a job but camping in parks, especially privately owned ones at night is illegal and should have been enfoced from day one.



http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2011/10/...n-wall-street/

You really don't even bother to read past the headlines of what you reference, do you?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Riot

They were law abiding and peaceful in Boston, where the police attacked and beat the Veterans for Peace, while destroying their flags - nobody raised a finger against the police as they were hauled to jail.

They've always been law-abiding and peaceful in NY for the month so far. Even in the face of police brutality. Why would you think they would not be?

The plan is complete peaceful resistance at this stage. Timing is good, it can be televised live on the morning shows. Bloomberg will suffer, OWS is too popular with the public.

Lec Walesa is going to join them, but nobody knows for sure what time he'll get to New York.

peaceful in boston, but maybe not completely law abiding?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...bIcL_blog.html

they were told repeatedly to leave one portion of the area that they had encamped on, and were arrested for trespassing. there's mention of 150k in shrubs being damaged as well.

[somerfrost]

New York confrontation avoided, at least for now, as park cleaning postponed. Somebody showed common sense, this could have been nasty.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

New York confrontation avoided, at least for now, as park cleaning postponed. Somebody showed common sense, this could have been nasty.

The demonstrators scrubbed the park themselves, Russell Simmons sent a letter to Bloomberg saying he would personally pay for the costs of cleaning the park and was there with them this am, a few other celebrities showed up this am to link arms, Lec Walesa is joining them in the park ...

... damn, this thing called "freedom" that our citizens have just won't go way. How inconvenient for some

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Danzig

peaceful in boston, but maybe not completely law abiding?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...bIcL_blog.html

they were told repeatedly to leave one portion of the area that they had encamped on, and were arrested for trespassing. there's mention of 150k in shrubs being damaged as well.

Yet, amazingly, that "shrub damage" didn't really exist in the light of day.

Yes, they were arrested for trespassing in a public park (the second park they occupied) as an act of civil disobedience. A minor offense. If you watch the multiple videos available, the demonstrators were completely peaceful, as the Boston Police aggressively attacked the Veterans for Peace with batons and beating.

There will always be a few outliers of crazy trouble makers, but it is undeniable that these protests, with their thousands of protesters, have been overwhelmingly peaceful and non-violent, the protesters themselves are not tolerating any violence, they are calling for peace, and always have been. The outliers are not supported by the protesters, and now the protesters are having the problem of trouble makers infiltrating them.

Face it: Faux News and Hannity have been overtly lying about the "sex, drugs, lewdness" crap in New York, for example: that park has been filled with police for the month it's been occupied, there are live video feeds from it 24-7 available on the internet, there are thousands of cell phone video cameras there, and if that existed that means the police who are in the park daily, walking through it, are ignoring it.

The problem with the media, who have been ignoring this, and the pundits, who have been yapping senselessly about something they are clueless about, is that social media and live cameras have taken over their job. The protesters are putting the news out there themselves, as in the middle east. That's pretty cool! It exposes the huge defects we have in our pathetic, non-journalist, lazy and even lying media.

[Cannon Shell]

In Philadelphia the protests are much smaller than other places and yet it is still costing taxpayers 80k+ a day in police overtime and sanatation costs.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

They were law abiding and peaceful in Boston, where the police attacked and beat the Veterans for Peace, while destroying their flags - nobody raised a finger against the police as they were hauled to jail.

They've always been law-abiding and peaceful in NY for the month so far. Even in the face of police brutality. Why would you think they would not be?

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This is comedy

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

This is comedy

Really? You might try actually watching one of the multiple videos of the Boston Police readily available on the internet, going into a line of 30 to 70 year old Veterans for Peace standing still and holding flags, swinging their clubs, and throwing them to the ground, as they were standing there completely accepting and passive of their arrests. Or the mulitple videos of the kettling and abuse in NY on the Brooklyn Bridge, which has already resulted in some very expensive lawsuits being filed against the City, both for personal attacks and civil rights violations for entrapment.

You think that's "comedy". Guess that says more about you than those veterans and the NY protesters.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

Really? You might try actually watching one of the multiple videos of the Boston Police readily available on the internet, going into a line of 30 to 70 year old Veterans for Peace standing still and holding flags, swinging their clubs, and throwing them to the ground, as they were standing there completely accepting and passive of their arrests. Or the mulitple videos of the kettling and abuse in NY on the Brooklyn Bridge, which has already resulted in some very expensive lawsuits being filed against the City, both for personal attacks and civil rights violations for entrapment.

You think that's "comedy". Guess that says more about you than those veterans and the NY protesters.

Yeah sure. The police are all brutalizing everyone.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

If you look at with internet blogs and discussions from the OWS crowd, you'd know they talk about that all the time, as they want it re-instated. It's a major contributor to the current financial disaster OWS is all about.

You don't ever bother to click on a link, or read anything different? No curiosity about this at all?

They say this alot: "First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win" - Ghandi

I guess you guys are at ridicule stage. There is fear it will get ugly in NY tomorrow morning, however, and move into the fight state, as they are going to try and pull the demonstraters out of the park. Let's hope the police don't lose it and become as violent as the Boston PD did the other night.

Knows about Glass-Steagall:


Nurses know about Glass-Steagall:


Definitely knows about Glass-Steagall:

Showing a guy holding a sign is proof that 40% of the people there are knowledgable about Glass -Steagle. 40% of the people there dont have any clue why they are there they just know it is the in thing to do.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Showing a guy holding a sign is proof that 40% of the people there are knowledgable about Glass -Steagle. 40% of the people there dont have any clue why they are there they just know it is the in thing to do.

Showing that the protesters discuss and hold up signs about Glass-Stegall is alot more proof that they are aware of it, than you saying that less than 5% of protesters don't know anything about it just because you say so

If you would bother to watch some of the videos about these guys, it's clear that they know what they are talking about reference what has destroyed our economy.

And you merely saying, "No, they don't!" , isn't any accurate commentary about "what they know" at all

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

Showing that the protesters discuss and hold up signs about Glass-Stegall is alot more proof that they are aware of it, than you saying that less than 5% of protesters don't know anything about it just because you say so

If you would bother to watch some of the videos about these guys, it's clear that they know what they are talking about reference what has destroyed our economy.

And you merely saying, "No, they don't!" , isn't any accurate commentary about "what they know" at all

Yeah the guy talking is the 5%. The 50 or so people milling around wondering what the hell he is talking about are the other 95%. I say so because I bet 99% of Americans have no idea what it is. I was giving the minority that does some credit for showing up.

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Yeah the guy talking is the 5%. The 50 or so people milling around wondering what the hell he is talking about are the other 95%. I say so because I bet 99% of Americans have no idea what it is. I was giving the minority that does some credit for showing up.

My wife has 3 masters degrees (animal science, bio and an MBA), asked her last night if she had ever heard of it. "Nope"

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

My wife has 3 masters degrees (animal science, bio and an MBA), asked her last night if she had ever heard of it. "Nope"

I have a BS in Biology and Chemistry, a BS in Veterinary Science, and a Doctor of Veterinary Medicine, and I've heard of it. "Yep".



I guess I'm missing your point Unless it's that your wife is in the minority of the 23% that "don't have an opinion"?

The conservative criticism of the Occupy Wall Street movement is that it is a "growing mob" (House majority leader Eric Cantor) of "shiftless protestors" (The Tea Party Express) engaged in "class warfare" (GOP presidential candidate Herman Cain) whose grievances - whatever they are - are far outside the political mainstream.

The polls don't back that up.

A new survey out from Time Magazine found that 54 percent of Americans have a favorable impression of the protests, while just 23 percent have a negative impression.

An NBC/Wall Street Journal survey, meanwhile, found that 37 percent of respondents "tend to support" the movement, while only 18 percent "tend to oppose" it.

The findings suggest that the right's portrait of the movement as a collection of lazy hippies who need to stop whining - to "take a shower and get a job" (Bill O'Reilly) - isn't resonating with most Americans.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_1...52-503544.html