Steve Jobs gone

[pointman]

Creating and running the 2nd largest Fortune 500 company in America isn't exactly in the liberal playbook.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by pointman

Creating and running the 2nd largest Fortune 500 company in America isn't exactly in the liberal playbook.

Geesh, can we stop the ridiculous assumptions? See Gates, Bill; Buffett, Warren, etc. "Liberals" (as you blindly lump millions of people together in your mind) demonstrably admire accomplishment and wealth creation as much as anybody.

As an aside, Jobs campaign finance contributes are available on the internet.

As someone who lived when it was truly exciting as computers became commonly available (I personally recall a Commodore TS 80), thank you, Steve Jobs.

[pointman]

Originally Posted by Riot

Geesh, can we stop the ridiculous assumptions? See Gates, Bill; Buffett, Warren, etc. "Liberals" (as you blindly lump millions of people together in your mind) demonstrably admire accomplishment and wealth creation as much as anybody.

As an aside, Jobs campaign finance contributes are available on the internet.

As someone who lived when it was truly exciting as computers became commonly available (I personally recall a Commodore TS 80), thank you, Steve Jobs.

As you are typically want to do, your response has nothing to do with my original point, that is, the irony of the liberal wall street protesters using the very items to communicate to organize the protests against the big companies that manufacture and sell them.

As for Gates and Buffet, their principles are ironic as well as they have certainly taken advantage of a system that liberals loathe and seek to destroy. The only one who makes ridiculous assumptions is you. And for the record, before you play your typical part of the victim, you once again are the one to take the first shot at me.

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by pointman

As you are typically want to do, your response has nothing to do with my original point, that is, the irony of the liberal wall street protesters using the very items to communicate to organize the protests against the big companies that manufacture and sell them.

As for Gates and Buffet, their principles are ironic as well as they have certainly taken advantage of a system that liberals loathe and seek to destroy. The only one who makes ridicuolous assumptions is you. And for the record, before you play your typical part of the victim, you once again are the one to take the first shot at me.

Er... no. They're protesting the Wall Street firms, which are not firms that actually make or build anything; they are merely firms that make gambles with other people's money on whether the perceived value of companies that do build and make things will rise or fall. There's nothing ironic at all in protesters using manufactured devices they purchased to tweet and photograph while protesting Wall Street's outsized influence on the USA. Now, if the protesters were calling their brokers while protesting, that'd be ironic.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by pointman

As you are typically want to do, your response has nothing to do with my original point, that is, the irony of the liberal wall street protesters using the very items to communicate to organize the protests against the big companies that manufacture and sell them.

Thanks for making my point for me: your ridiculous attempt at irony completely fails due to the demonstrable falsity of your assumptions.

You've now changed that assumption to be that "liberal wall street protesters" (false assumption, again) are railing against big companies that create their social media enabling. You clearly have zero idea what Occupy Wall Street is all about, and "who" they are protesting against, and why.

Because that sure as hell ain't it.

As for Gates and Buffet, their principles are ironic as well as they have certainly taken advantage of a system that liberals loathe and seek to destroy.

Wow, there's those darn "liberals" again, all "loathing and seeking to destroy".

You're not filled with too many proven false assumptive prejudices at all, are you?

Go look at the Forbes list of the current Top 15 Billionaires on Wiki or Forbes. Please note which ones worked for and created their own wealth in this country (oh, those nasty liberals and Democrats!) and which merely inherited it? (why, those are dependable Republican donors!)

I'm so tired of hearing that silly false "liberals hate corporations and wealth and money" whining. It's demonstrably baloney.

Don't get mad just because you've been called out on it. And thanks for hijacking a thread about Steve Jobs to diss those "liberals" you apparently dislike so much.

[pointman]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

Er... no. They're protesting the Wall Street firms, which are not firms that actually make or build anything; they are merely firms that make gambles with other people's money on whether the perceived value of companies that do build and make things will rise or fall. There's nothing ironic at all in protesters using manufactured devices they purchased to tweet and photograph while protesting Wall Street's outsized influence on the USA. Now, if the protesters were calling their brokers while protesting, that'd be ironic.

Er, no. In reality, these morons don't know what they are protesting against. You do realize that those very brokers sell shares in the corporations which build the capitol and worth of the corporations that manufacture and sell the very devices that the morons that are protesting use to communicate to organize their protests?

Do you really think there would be an Apple without Wall Street?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by pointman

Er, no. In reality, these morons don't know what they are protesting against. You do realize that those very brokers sell shares in the corporations which build the capitol and worth of the corporations that manufacture and sell the very devices that the morons that are protesting use to communicate to organize their protests?

Do you really think there would be an Apple without Wall Street?

There was an Apple without Wall Street.

You've conflated selling ownership in a corporation (what Wall Street used to do) with gambling (which is what Wall Street does now).

[pointman]

Originally Posted by Riot

There was an Apple without Wall Street.

You've conflated selling ownership in a corporation (what Wall Street used to do) with gambling (which is what Wall Street does now).

Banging one's head against a wall is a better use of time than arguing against a dolt like you.

I suppose that the chants protesting against corporate greed are against the brokers, not the Fortune 500 corporations, you know some of the same ones who make the devices the protesters use to orgainize their protests. I will reiterate, these protesters don't even know what they are protesting against, but of course, you think you know what it is about because you know everything.

I never said the protests made sense because they don't. Sure there was an Apple without Wall Street, that was in Steve Jobs' garage. The one that sells macs, iphones, ipads and ipods came about with Wall Street.

Oh, as far as highjacking a thread, it is again another irony that the D.B. Cooper of highjacking threads would direct that comment at another.

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by pointman

Er, no. In reality, these morons don't know what they are protesting against. You do realize that those very brokers sell shares in the corporations which build the capitol and worth of the corporations that manufacture and sell the very devices that the morons that are protesting use to communicate to organize their protests?

Do you really think there would be an Apple without Wall Street?

In reality, you're just repeating the mainstream media's talking points about the protests.

Get back to me on the details of credit default swaps and what that had to do with getting money into the hands of Apple.

The Koch brothers are doing quite well for themselves and their company is entirely privately owned.

[pointman]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

In reality, you're just repeating the mainstream media's talking points about the protests.

Get back to me on the details of credit default swaps and what that had to do with getting money into the hands of Apple.

The Koch brothers are doing quite well for themselves and their company is entirely privately owned.

No, I am stating the truth regarding these stupid protests which actually disrupt the lives of those of us in New York who work hard for our money, plain and simple.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by Riot

Geesh, can we stop the ridiculous assumptions? See Gates, Bill; Buffett, Warren, etc. "Liberals" (as you blindly lump millions of people together in your mind) demonstrably admire accomplishment and wealth creation as much as anybody.

As an aside, Jobs campaign finance contributes are available on the internet.

As someone who lived when it was truly exciting as computers became commonly available (I personally recall a Commodore TS 80), thank you, Steve Jobs.

Steve Jobs was scum of the Earth.

Commodore didn't make the TS 80. It was Tandy, for Radio Shack, and it was the TRS-80.

Very little of what Jobs did, or came up with, was original or innovative. He copied others ideas and did a much better job of packaging and marketing those ideas.

He was ruthless and cared naught for whom or whatever he hurt.

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Commodore didn't make the TS 80. It was Tandy, for Radio Shack, and it was the TRS-80.

I had a comic book as a little girl that had a 24-page insert inside it of a mini-comic starring Superman. I remember the plot was that he encountered some kind of Kryptonite that frazzled his brain so he couldn't make calculations like how fast to fly, etc. So two little schoolkids got on their TRS-80 and did the calculations for him so he could go save out-of-control trains or whatever the catastrophes that required mathematical calculations were.

Of course, it was really just a 24-page advertisement for the TRS-80, but I remember it better than I do the comic book it came with.

Riot was probably thinking of the Commodore 64, which is the other one I remember from around that time, give or take.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Commodore didn't make the TS 80. It was Tandy, for Radio Shack, and it was the TRS-80.

LOL - that's it, thanks! Wasn't all that long ago in years, but eons in tech time.

Very little of what Jobs did, or came up with, was original or innovative. He copied others ideas and did a much better job of packaging and marketing those ideas.

He was ruthless and cared naught for whom or whatever he hurt.

Yes, Jobs sucked, and it's good of you to point that out in his obituary!