9/3 (SAR): Woodward, Forego, Personal Ensign (G1's)

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

If you can't believe anyone said it, go look at the thread on the Delaware Cap when it was suggested her and BL should be facing males. We were told that they wouldn't have a shot against the likes of Tizway, Flat Out, Morning Line, Friend or Foe, and Rail Trip.

I actually went back and read that thread. Since I didn't see anyone saying what you are implying, could you please provide an example of what you are describing here?

No one said they would have no shot against those horses. What was disagreed with is Havre De Grace and Blind Luck are the two best dirt horses in training. Big difference between saying that and what you are saying.

I'm glad I went back and read that thread though because I was able to relive your description of the Delaware Handicap. "Magical theatre." That'll never not be funny.

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

I actually went back and read that thread. Since I didn't see anyone saying what you are implying, could you please provide an example of what you are describing here?

No one said they would have no shot against those horses. What was disagreed with is Havre De Grace and Blind Luck are the two best dirt horses in training. Big difference between saying that and what you are saying.

I'm glad I went back and read that thread though because I was able to relive your description of the Delaware Handicap. "Magical theatre." That'll never not be funny.

Hmm. Right on page one, ateam said BL, HDG, and Awesome Maria would all be competitive in the Whitney, to which Mr. Serling promptly replied that they wouldn't. When ateam asked which older males, other than Tizway, should they be worried about, ntamm gave us Rail Trip, Morning Line, and Friend or Foe. Serling said that would be a good start, seemingly suggesting there were even more. He even mentioned Sidney's Candy. He also wondered why anyone would hypothesize about HDG beating top males and talked about BL being campaigned against females because she could realistically be competitive against top males.

Maybe the words no chance weren't used but the point was very clear.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

Hmm. Right on page one, ateam said BL, HDG, and Awesome Maria would all be competitive in the Whitney, to which Mr. Serling promptly replied that they wouldn't. When ateam asked which older males, other than Tizway, should they be worried about, ntamm gave us Rail Trip, Morning Line, and Friend or Foe. Serling said that would be a good start, seemingly suggesting there were even more. He even mentioned Sidney's Candy. He also wondered why anyone would hypothesize about HDG beating top males and talked about BL being campaigned against females because she could realistically be competitive against top males.

Maybe the words no chance weren't used but the point was very clear.

The thread you are talking about and the posts were in the middle of June, which was a month before the Delaware Handicap and almost 2 months before the Whitney. Obviously things change weekly, if not daily and I'm going to go out on a limb and guess both Andy and Nick had Havre De Grace as the 2nd best horse in the race today beforehand.

But, while we are on the subject of that thread, I found this exchange pretty interesting.

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

How would they have done against Tizway and Flat Out?

To which you responded

Originally Posted by King Glorious

Probably third. Second at best. No disgrace in that though. At least I don't think so anyway. I just thought about it because the first ones mentioned that they wouldn't have a chance against were those three. I don't know if they'd even beat those three but I think those three showed they are no world beaters to be avoided at all costs and that BL and HdG would at least rate a chance.

Hmmm....It's always easy to be smart after the races. But you know that.

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

The thread you are talking about and the posts were in the middle of June, which was a month before the Delaware Handicap and almost 2 months before the Whitney. Obviously things change weekly, if not daily and I'm going to go out on a limb and guess both Andy and Nick had Havre De Grace as the 2nd best horse in the race today beforehand.

But, while we are on the subject of that thread, I found this exchange pretty interesting.



To which you responded



Hmmm....It's always easy to be smart after the races. But you know that.

Ok so I had the thread wrong. The point doesn't change that it was being said they'd have no chance.

Also, I'm not sure what point you are making about that exchange. It was a simple question with a simple answer. I would have been in favor of them trying the Whitney and after watching how Tizway ran, I assumed HDG at best could have been second. To which I also said there is no disgrace in that. It's the mentality that second is a disgrace that is a big part of the problem in the game today. Even if she had been second, that would have shown that she could have been competive, which those others where saying she couldn't be.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

Ok so I had the thread wrong. The point doesn't change that it was being said they'd have no chance.

Also, I'm not sure what point you are making about that exchange. It was a simple question with a simple answer. I would have been in favor of them trying the Whitney and after watching how Tizway ran, I assumed HDG at best could have been second. To which I also said there is no disgrace in that. It's the mentality that second is a disgrace that is a big part of the problem in the game today. Even if she had been second, that would have shown that she could have been competive, which those others where saying she couldn't be.

I agree with the second is a big thing concept. As for BTW and Nick suggesting that a filly couldnt competite with males especially them is insane. What does sex have to do with talent and speed?

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

Ok so I had the thread wrong. The point doesn't change that it was being said they'd have no chance.

Also, I'm not sure what point you are making about that exchange. It was a simple question with a simple answer. I would have been in favor of them trying the Whitney and after watching how Tizway ran, I assumed HDG at best could have been second. To which I also said there is no disgrace in that. It's the mentality that second is a disgrace that is a big part of the problem in the game today. Even if she had been second, that would have shown that she could have been competive, which those others where saying she couldn't be.

No real surprise you don't get the point. You were more interested in saying "gotcha" than actually looking at what and why was said. Plus your sexist stuff is just plain hilarious. It's wonderful theatre on your part.

The point is, when the comments were made initially, Rail Trip and Friend or Foe had just recently made their first starts off long layoffs and ran nice figures. Morning Line hadn't bombed in both his Monmouth and Saratoga races. Morning Line is much better than he had showed in those races and so are the other two.

As I said, things change pretty quickly in this game. Our opinions change and need to change as quickly as we express them based on what happens. So congrats on thinking she had a chance 3 months ago and then admitting she would have been probably 3rd in the Whitney. You sure showed them.

[blackthroatedwind]

Pretty lame, but expected, crap from King Glorious.

For the record, I picked Havre de Grace second and said she and Flat Out were the only two I would use in the Pick-4.

Oh, I also said Sidney's Candy had no shot whatsoever in the Forego...and have been clear on not wanting him going forward since Todd Pletcher lost confidence in him in late July.

Like Dahoss said, and King Glorious ignored in his desperate attempt to alter the truth in order to try to knock others in a perverse ( and failed ) attempt to make himself look better ( this shouldn't be hard...though he still seems to find it elusive ), things change, often quickly, in this game.

[King Glorious]

The point was missed. Only you are the ones missing it....while at the same time making it. The point was that at the time, the suggestion that Blind Luck and Havre de Grace couldn't compete and shouldn't compete against the boys because they couldn't be competitive was silly.....because of how quickly things change. The point was that if top males were to run their best races, the numbers BL and HDG were running probably wouldn't be good enough but with the inconsistency and fragility of the males, the chances of them running their best races are always pretty low so why not take a chance when you've got two mares that you KNOW will bring it everytime.

[VOL JACK]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Pretty lame, but expected, crap from King Glorious.

For the record, I picked Havre de Grace second and said she and Flat Out were the only two I would use in the Pick-4.

Oh, I also said Sidney's Candy had no shot whatsoever in the Forego...and have been clear on not wanting him going forward since Todd Pletcher lost confidence in him in late July.

Like Dahoss said, and King Glorious ignored in his desperate attempt to alter the truth in order to try to knock others in a perverse ( and failed ) attempt to make himself look better ( this shouldn't be hard...though he still seems to find it elusive ), things change, often quickly, in this game.

You actually take the time to read his half a page post?