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10-26-2006, 09:36 PM
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Its very easy to give an overage of Clen, trainers miss cut dates, trainers miss a lot of things. Trainers dont want to pay good help, they would rather have a bunch of skunks running around f'ing everything up. There is no excuse for a clen over, none. If you know the cut day it should never happen. However Mr.Lake is the king of Clen. We have taken horses off of him and had them crash days after we stopped clen. They wouldnt pick up the bit, they wouldnt even get into a gallop. They were flat as pancakes. Very sound, just flat. I think its just like human withdrawl from clen. When I used to be very into working out I would take clen as a cut cycle while reducing water. A few weeks after offing clen I would be exhausted, have horrible headaches, shake badly. It doesnt do all that to horses, but the crashing can be related. Lots of trainers use clen, I would say probably 90%I dont think anyone uses it to the extent Mr Lake does.
To answer the question there are a lot of trainers that dont cheat. Last edited by The Bid : 10-26-2006 at 09:40 PM. 
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10-26-2006, 09:45 PM
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Just have to love the headline on the DRF website on this Lake positive
"Lake to appeal latest ban" My Friend has claim off Lake and said the same thing that are flat and seem to have withdrawl symptoms
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10-27-2006, 07:29 AM
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http://www.ivis.org/proceedings/AAEP/2000/229.pdf
pay particular attention to page 4...where the question of performance enhancement is addressed... Don't get me wrong, I know some trainers use it the same way bodybuilders use it...but actual performance improvement in the horse has been disproven. And if Scott Lake wants to claim that he was using this as legitimate treatment for mucus or other bronchial infection I will repeat what I have said before...if the horse needs to be on medication that horse should not be running.
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10-27-2006, 07:32 AM
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One of his "buddies" that trains has a clen positive.
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10-27-2006, 07:34 AM
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Not running a horse with a legitimate lung infection? or not using a drug off-label in an attempt to enhance performance?
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10-27-2006, 07:34 AM
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Personally I think all drugs should be banned. Screw veterinarians, they are the ones that created this problem.
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10-27-2006, 07:35 AM
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10-27-2006, 07:39 AM
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Who is my buddy? You didn't answer the question about Dutrow. Did he ever get caught cheating? It amazes me how you call a pitcher with pinetar a cheater, and that is more acceptable in that sport, but when your buddy gets caught cheating it is ok, because they all do it. You are so full of it is isn't even funny. You are about as two faced as they come.
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