Put Your Fingers Where your Mouth Is

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

You have skewed my words to suit your point which I do not appreciate...however, I think the point of yours I disagreed with was something about Invasor not being as good as five horses that Sun King faced in 2005. Since you seem to feel that is a defendable opinion I would love to hear the five horses and your concrete reasons that they were better horses than Invasor.

I will start by saying you better have some pretty clever ones because Invasor has run three races faster than any Afleet Alex ever did. Now, I am not necessarily saying Invasor is a better horse than Afleet Alex was but the bar is pretty high.

What I said was that Sun King has been facing weaker horses this year than last year. I didn't mean each individual horse. Of course, Invasor is better than most of the ones he faced last year but overall, I think he faced much better race in and race out than he's faced this year.

My longhsot and not sure she will be one is Satwa Queen. She is my play of the day.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

What I said was that Sun King has been facing weaker horses this year than last year. I didn't mean each individual horse. Of course, Invasor is better than most of the ones he faced last year but overall, I think he faced much better race in and race out than he's faced this year.

I can understand that, as overall this has not been a strong year for older horses, but I also think Sun King has clearly put in some better performances this year, especially recently, than last year. Even his Woodward was probably better than any race he ran last year.

Believe me, I am not overly optimistic about Sun King's chances in the BC Classic, and think he is at best likely to sneak into a lesser spot. Certainly if either Euro transfers his turf ability to dirt, something I consider pretty unlikely, they will beat Sun King, and Invasor and Bernardini figure to be formidable foes. I do believe Sun King will finish ahead of Lava Man, and not necessarily because I feel he is a more talented horse, but I believe the race sets up much better for him. The truth is I am biased towards Sun King....I have loved him since his debut, his trainer is a close friend of mine, and his owner's wife is very nice to me...how can I not root for him?

But, honestly, looking at the pps I don't see what is illogical about Sun King. I am happy to take my chances against the Euros, Brother Derek is OK, and actually ran well last time, but the race dynamics don't suit him and when you add the extra distance in he hardly rates to beat Sun King, Flower Alley is a joke, Giacomo is absurd, Lawyer Ron is certainly interesting on the huge trainer switch but also has the wrong running style for the race and has never been successful against even moderately talented horses, Perfect Drift is showing signs of age and is nowhere near as fast this year as previous years, Premium Tap also has the wrong running style though he is an improved animal, Suave is hard to take but perhaps has an outside shot on his best but also does his best running on the pace and Super Frolic has similar problems but does appear to also fit into the superfecta mix as his races have been at least faster than most on a relatively consistent basis. Remember something about Sun King, he has shown dramatic improvement specifically when allowed to drop back and make one run, and that is exactly the style that gives him a shot to at least get a reasonable piece of the purse.

[SniperSB23]

I don't get the not posting for a week thing at all. How is that punishment? I'd much prefer you post all week and have to finish every post with "but then again what do I know, I am the idiot who has tossed Saint Liam and Invasor in the past two Classics". That would be much more effective.

[blackthroatedwind]

I've had three Classic winners in the entire history of the BC....Skywalker, Black Tie Affair and Cigar ( only because I finished a Pick-3 with him ). I'm such a moron that instead of taking the $13 on the Awesome Again-Touch Gold entry I bet $200 on Touch Gold at 10-1 on some betting site because " what moron would want Awesome Again ".