Pennsylvania takeout rate

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

We have discussions from time to time whether lower takeout rates will attract bettors," said Sal DeBunda, the president of the Pennsylvania Thoroughbred Horseman's Association, which represents the horsemen at Parx Racing. "To be honest, I have not heard a lot of complaining from our bettors. The payoffs are big enough that the bettors don't really realize what (the takeout) is."

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That's right, they did 60k ontrack yesterday. Total. Wonder where all those dumb guys Sal DeBunda was talking about were?

Betting via the Internet? On track totals are relics of a time long gone that is never coming back. Is 1.68 million bad for a Tuesday at a B level track?

[Calzone Lord]

Tuesday is by far the best day for PID and probably the same for Philly.

Philly is the Saratoga and Del Mar all rolled into one of Tuesday racing. They handled only 864K all sources last Saturday.

Adjusted for inflation -- Plunger Walton (who was from the tiny city of Philly) would bet that kind of sum on a single race in his glory days.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

Tuesday is by far the best day for PID and probably the same for Philly.

Philly is the Saratoga and Del Mar all rolled into one of Tuesday racing. They handled only 864K all sources last Saturday.

Adjusted for inflation -- Plunger Walton (who was from the tiny city of Philly) would bet that kind of sum on a single race in his glory days.

What are your thoughts vis a vis On Track Handle in the 21st century? Do you think it is still a meaningful metric as to the health of the sport?

[Calzone Lord]

Originally Posted by jms62

What are your thoughts vis a vis On Track Handle in the 21st century? Do you think it is still a meaningful metric as to the health of the sport?

With the incredible advancements in information and technology -- there's never been less reason to go to the track. It's not as meaningful as a metric, no.

These guys like Pittsburgh Phil would have to constantly get on trains and go track-to-track all across the country... just so they could bet on almost all short fields, with no real exotics, and very limited info.

Horse racing should be a bigger deal than the NFL, MLB, and NBA combined. I doubt any industry has ever tried so hard for so long to shrink and poison its customer/fan base.

[ellpol]

[quote=Calzone Lord;804202]With the incredible advancements in information and technology -- there's never been less reason to go to the track. It's not as meaningful as a metric, no.

I have to agree with you as the last 2 years I rarely feel the desire to actually go to the track, I have become anti- social though. I used to go and talk to my degenerate friends all day. Now I stay at home watch TVG and HRTV and bet on Twinspires and yell at the analysts till my wife comes into the room and tells me "there is a mute button on the remote hon".

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by jms62

Betting via the Internet? On track totals are relics of a time long gone that is never coming back. Is 1.68 million bad for a Tuesday at a B level track?

I think you are missing the point. On track handle is not nearly as important as before the advent of adw's but 60k is a joke. The head of the horsemans group said that he hadn't heard complaints from bettors. An ontrack handle of 60k shows that there aren't any bettors to complain to him.

Batting average in baseball has been shown to have far less importance as a measuring metric than in past years but if a guy is hitting .140 you dont have to be an expert to know he sucks. If your a track is handling 60k ontrack there are major issues that need to be resolved. These clowns won't even recognize that their product is not only overpriced but not that good either. I know a lot of people dont give a damn what happens in PA but if the politicians/tracks succeed in axing racing don't think that the politicans in other states won't be watching.