NYRA Knockers TAKE THIS!!!

Slewbopper · #1 10-26-2006, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by oracle80

http://news.bloodhorse.com/viewstory.asp?id=36003

This is for all the walking garbage that bashes NYRA constantly for no reason. Revolution I hope this doesnt ruin the circle jerk you boys have nightly.
Gee, and without polytrack? LOL!!!!
Great job by NYRA once again. Saratoga up, Belmont fall up, this is called a trend.

Give me a break. They got 70,000 at the Spa for blanket giveway day. The real attendance was probably 30,000. At Belmont on Oct 7 with 5 G1s on the card, they gave away the same blanket and with spinners the attendance was 16,500. There were not more than 8000 people at Belmont that day. I was there. Bunch of phony numbers if you ask me.

sumitas · #2 10-26-2006, 08:19 PM

I think NYRA does a super job. The only thing I'd like to see is the poly at all 3tracks. If the NYRA was like Churchill you'd really see a HUGE decline in attendance. It would kill the Saratoga meet.

kgar311 · #3 10-26-2006, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by sumitas

I think NYRA does a super job. The only thing I'd like to see is the poly at all 3tracks. If the NYRA was like Churchill you'd really see a HUGE decline in attendance. It would kill the Saratoga meet.

dont start with that polysh*t the death of racing

#4 10-26-2006, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Slewbopper

Give me a break. They got 70,000 at the Spa for blanket giveway day. The real attendance was probably 30,000. At Belmont on Oct 7 with 5 G1s on the card, they gave away the same blanket and with spinners the attendance was 16,500. There were not more than 8000 people at Belmont that day. I was there. Bunch of phony numbers if you ask me.

I was there, too. We arrived five minutes after the giveaway ended, so even though there were about two thousand left over blankets, our paid admissions got us nothing. It looked like a bigger wasteland than three years ago when we saw Mineshaft run away with the Woodward. NY fans are simply not supporting Belmont or Aqueduct. The Meadowlands and Monmouth have bigger crowds.

Revolution · #5 10-26-2006, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Bold Reasoning

I was there, too. We arrived five minutes after the giveaway ended, so even though there were about two thousand left over blankets, our paid admissions got us nothing. It looked like a bigger wasteland than three years ago when we saw Mineshaft run away with the Woodward. NY fans are simply not supporting Belmont or Aqueduct. The Meadowlands and Monmouth have bigger crowds.

Belmont and Aqueduct are ghost towns. NYRA has done an absolutely miserable job marketing the two tracks with their stupid commercials about horse names. They have no concerts there, nothing. It is a complete joke.

#6 10-27-2006, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Revolution

Belmont and Aqueduct are ghost towns. NYRA has done an absolutely miserable job marketing the two tracks with their stupid commercials about horse names. They have no concerts there, nothing. It is a complete joke.

I remember seeing horses like Seattle Slew and Affirmed at Belmont and Aqueduct, but we heard concerts, too! It was another time and IT AIN'T COMIN' BACK.

ELA · #7 10-27-2006, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Bold Reasoning

I remember seeing horses like Seattle Slew and Affirmed at Belmont and Aqueduct, but we heard concerts, too! It was another time and IT AIN'T COMIN' BACK.

They are ghost towns. Without question. However, in NY, and with NYRA, there is no longer a question of how to make it better. Today it is a question of how to survive. They cannot start addressing these things until there is massive and drastic overhaul of state legislation (in addition to the business model).

However, personally, unless they turn a deaf ear and neglect to see the reality -- I believe it can come back. Perhaps I am being naive. However, I do remember years ago Barry Schwartz going up to Woodbine (I believe he visited other tracks with VLT's, racinos, etc. as well). I was talking with him once about it and I remember him talking about when he came back he spoke of the facility and the business model. He had a very positive reaction and attitude -- he liked it. Maybe I am wrong but that's the way I remember it and that is my interpretation. He might have even gone as far as saying something along the lines of "that's what we should have" or "we should build it that way" (I don't remember).

Anyway -- this is NY baby!!! The greatest place in the world!!! You want hot dogs -- you go to Nathan's in CI ! You want pastrami, head over to Katz's or the Carnegie Deli (I love The Stage as well, LOL). You want it, you got it and the best of it -- right here . . . The greatest city in the world.

AND . . . if you want racing baby -- well it should be that NY RACING IS WHERE IT'S AT!!! Don't count it out just yet. Some of us might think that it might be on life support . . . but it ain't dead yet. LOL.

Eric

#8 10-27-2006, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by ELA

They are ghost towns. Without question. However, in NY, and with NYRA, there is no longer a question of how to make it better. Today it is a question of how to survive. They cannot start addressing these things until there is massive and drastic overhaul of state legislation (in addition to the business model).

However, personally, unless they turn a deaf ear and neglect to see the reality -- I believe it can come back. Perhaps I am being naive. However, I do remember years ago Barry Schwartz going up to Woodbine (I believe he visited other tracks with VLT's, racinos, etc. as well). I was talking with him once about it and I remember him talking about when he came back he spoke of the facility and the business model. He had a very positive reaction and attitude -- he liked it. Maybe I am wrong but that's the way I remember it and that is my interpretation. He might have even gone as far as saying something along the lines of "that's what we should have" or "we should build it that way" (I don't remember).

Anyway -- this is NY baby!!! The greatest place in the world!!! You want hot dogs -- you go to Nathan's in CI ! You want pastrami, head over to Katz's or the Carnegie Deli (I love The Stage as well, LOL). You want it, you got it and the best of it -- right here . . . The greatest city in the world.

AND . . . if you want racing baby -- well it should be that NY RACING IS WHERE IT'S AT!!! Don't count it out just yet. Some of us might think that it might be on life support . . . but it ain't dead yet. LOL.

Eric

I live in Northern NJ, in the boondocks. I have lived my entire life in the NY Metropolitan Area and I love it. I consider NYC to be the greatest city in the world, so I hope you are right about NY racing. I have so many fond memories and I would like to have some more. Do you know why NYRA has no race named for Seattle Slew? That is my biggest knock on them.

#9 10-27-2006, 01:46 PM

If you people think New York is the greatest city in the world then you havent traveled the world. I like New York and it is BY FAR the greatest city in the US and prob in the top greatest cities in the world, but I wouldn't put it at number 1. That distinction would go to Hong Kong.

ELA · #10 10-27-2006, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Bold Reasoning

I live in Northern NJ, in the boondocks. I have lived my entire life in the NY Metropolitan Area and I love it. I consider NYC to be the greatest city in the world, so I hope you are right about NY racing. I have so many fond memories and I would like to have some more. Do you know why NYRA has no race named for Seattle Slew? That is my biggest knock on them.

I too live in Northern NJ -- just recently moving from the "city" to the suburbs. I joke that I am further away from everything I do and everyplace I go (LOL) -- my office, every racetrack except Saratoga, Continental Arena where the NJ Devils play, NYC, etc.

As far as why no race named after Seattle Slew, I would say ask Andy or call PJ Campo directly and ask him.

Eric

sumitas · #11 10-26-2006, 08:43 PM

They would draw zilch if Churchill or Magna ran the tracks.

Revolution · #12 10-26-2006, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by sumitas

They would draw zilch if Churchill or Magna ran the tracks.

You know this based on what? Atleast Churchill and Magna make efforts to attract people.

Saratoga is a goldmine. Even the idiots at NYRA couldn't screw that up.

blackthroatedwind · #13 10-26-2006, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Revolution

You know this based on what? Atleast Churchill and Magna make efforts to attract people.

Saratoga is a goldmine. Even the idiots at NYRA couldn't screw that up.

Granted you are extremely qualified to identify idiots, but you love to throw out generalities ( obviously because you know no actual specifics ), and perhaps you would specifically like to identify these so-called " idiots ". Certianly you have learned by now that nobody is falling for your false generalizations.

Revolution · #14 10-26-2006, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Granted you are extremely qualified to identify idiots, but you love to throw out generalities ( obviously because you know no actual specifics ), and perhaps you would specifically like to identify these so-called " idiots ". Certianly you have learned by now that nobody is falling for your false generalizations.

You're right. The same amoutn of people that are falling for my false generalizations is the same amount of people that go to NYRA's tracks. Zero.

blackthroatedwind · #15 10-26-2006, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Revolution

You're right. The same amoutn of people that are falling for my false generalizations is the same amount of people that go to NYRA's tracks. Zero.

You got your first thing right in this thread....you at least acknowledge you have zero credibility.

blackthroatedwind · #16 10-26-2006, 08:47 PM

The Meadowlands and Monmouth do not give away their signal for free the way NYRA does pretty much all over NY State. They also don't have OTBs next door to them, or even close, the way the NY tracks do.

Don't get me wrong, I wish more people went to Belmont and Aqueduct, but NYRA has gone out of its way to give its signal to those that want it and the betting figures reflect that.

Revolution · #17 10-26-2006, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

The Meadowlands and Monmouth do not give away their signal for free the way NYRA does pretty much all over NY State. They also don't have OTBs next door to them, or even close, the way the NY tracks do.

Don't get me wrong, I wish more people went to Belmont and Aqueduct, but NYRA has gone out of its way to give its signal to those that want it and the betting figures reflect that.

It still is no excuse for not having concerts and poor promotion.

God forbid people went to the track then all the mobsters who own car dealerships wouldn't have anywhere to park the new cars they are selling.

Shut down that dump they call Aqueduct and build some more stalls at Belmont. There is no reason to have two racetracks. NYRA can sell the land they claim to own. LOL.