Obamacare

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

It's nonsense. The first lie is that it will save people money to cancel the ACA. And I suggest you read that "survey" he's quoting and see it's objectivity - or not.

Geeshus, you Obama-haters are gullible.

If it's such a saver why all the up-front money needed? Why the need for exemptions?

What do you suppose a policy for an unhealthy 40 year old, obese, smoker with high blood pressure, previous heart problems and a family history of strokes and heart attacks costs a year?

And why should a healthy, 40 year-old, jogger, who never smoked and has a family to support be forced to chip in for his policy?

Rid the program of 'subsidies' and I'm onboard. Of course the program is all about the subsidy right?

Patients need rights but they don't need to be forced to pay for other patients. In terms of cost, uninsured ER visits and treatment will never come close to this monstrosity.

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

What do you suppose a policy for an unhealthy 40 year old, obese, smoker with high blood pressure, previous heart problems and a family history of strokes and heart attacks costs a year?

And why should a healthy, 40 year-old, jogger, who never smoked and has a family to support be forced to chip in for his policy?

Why? Because it was dreamt up by the socialists in office at the time, that's why.

[joeydb]

Get ready: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbHh86HkBhk

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

If it's such a saver why all the up-front money needed?

How is this remotely a serious question? Are you completely ignorant of how business works? Because when people work to set up systems, we pay them. We don't demand they work for free.

Why the need for exemptions?

Because of Republican fear that, god forbid, one American pay one penny they don't want to for another American's well-being.

Did you pay zero attention during the healthcare debates? It sure seems like it.

What do you suppose a policy for an unhealthy 40 year old, obese, smoker with high blood pressure, previous heart problems and a family history of strokes and heart attacks costs a year?

I don't know. Why don't you ask the private insurance companies that are going to continue to write those policies on the exchanges?

I assume you already know that won't have anything at all to do with you, as you are already insured.

And why should a healthy, 40 year-old, jogger, who never smoked and has a family to support be forced to chip in for his policy?

Because that's what happens now with your insurance, and the ACA doesn't change that. Maybe you don't understand the concept of "groups" and "spread risk"?

Rid the program of 'subsidies' and I'm onboard. Of course the program is all about the subsidy right?

So you' rather have people who are uninsured now, remain uninsured, than to pay for a portion of their health insurance? That's stupid. I want them to pay what they can, and stop costing me an arm and a leg by being uninsured, and having me cover 100% of their cost to go to the ER now. I'm paying for them now, and they can start paying a fair share. You are against that? Ridiculous.

Patients need rights but they don't need to be forced to pay for other patients. In terms of cost, uninsured ER visits and treatment will never come close to this monstrosity

Really? Prove it. Quote actual figures. Because every other financial organization that has looked at it has scored your contention as false.

Stop pretending to know anything about health care and the ACA and have "reasons" to dislike the ACA. It's clear you do not. You never mention anything factual. Just say you hate Obama, and everything he is associated with. That would be at least be respectable due to honesty.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

How is this remotely a serious question? Are you completely ignorant of how business works? Because when people work to set up systems, we pay them. We don't demand they work for free.



Because of Republican fear that, god forbid, one American pay one penny they don't want to for another American's well-being.

Did you pay zero attention during the healthcare debates? It sure seems like it.



I don't know. Why don't you ask the private insurance companies that are going to continue to write those policies on the exchanges?

I assume you already know that won't have anything at all to do with you, as you are already insured.



Because that's what happens now with your insurance, and the ACA doesn't change that. Maybe you don't understand the concept of "groups" and "spread risk"?



So you' rather have people who are uninsured now, remain uninsured, than to pay for a portion of their health insurance? That's stupid. I want them to pay what they can, and stop costing me an arm and a leg by being uninsured, and having me cover 100% of their cost to go to the ER now. I'm paying for them now, and they can start paying a fair share. You are against that? Ridiculous.



Really? Prove it. Quote actual figures. Because every other financial organization that has looked at it has scored your contention as false.

Stop pretending to know anything about health care and the ACA and have "reasons" to dislike the ACA. It's clear you do not. You never mention anything factual. Just say you hate Obama, and everything he is associated with. That would be at least be respectable due to honesty.

Stop sticking your head in the sand. Partially funding the 40 year old fat smoker is just part of the bill. How about the full funding of the 40-year-old fat smoker who lives by a pole? Why should the 40-year-old healthy nonsmoker, trying to do the best for his family and educate his children, with a shrinking home value and retirement account be asked for more?

You want free birth control pills included in your policy? Write it that way! No co-pays with certain drugs? Pay for it!

Just as no one needs to be involved in someone’s' bedroom they need to stay out of someone’s purse and wallet!

How about Buffett & Co. put up the up-front money and prove the conservatives wrong?

Best political move, if it works, evaahhhhhhh.

[dino]

I agree with everything Riot says. Even though I have to wake up at 5am every morning to go to work and usually don't get home before 7pm I think the most important thing to me is to support everyone that doesn't feel like working. Now I'm not talking about the people that have worked hard all their lives and are having hard times with the Obama economy, I'm talking anout the scum that drags down this country. Those are the people I work my ass off for. Screw my 2 sons. Why should I help them out with their college bills when I can spend my hard earned money on some lazy bum that Riot obviously doesn't want to help out as long as he can have someone else take care of them, I don't know him but he's probably a typical Liberal that has no black friends, gives no money to charity and has never donated an hour of his life to public service. I'm surrounded by those people in NY

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by dino

I agree with everything Riot says. Even though I have to wake up at 5am every morning to go to work and usually don't get home before 7pm I think the most important thing to me is to support everyone that doesn't feel like working.

Excellent, succinct description of modern day socialism and the beliefs of its high priests in the Democratic party.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by joeydb

Excellent, succinct description of modern day socialism and the beliefs of its high priests in the Democratic party.

C'mon - this simply isn't factually true. Go learn the definition of Socialism, for starters - then come back and point out where it exists - and go see how Obama doesn't act in the beliefs of the Democratic party a good amount of the time.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dino

I agree with everything Riot says. Even though I have to wake up at 5am every morning to go to work and usually don't get home before 7pm I think the most important thing to me is to support everyone that doesn't feel like working. Now I'm not talking about the people that have worked hard all their lives and are having hard times with the Obama economy, I'm talking anout the scum that drags down this country. Those are the people I work my ass off for. Screw my 2 sons. Why should I help them out with their college bills when I can spend my hard earned money on some lazy bum that Riot obviously doesn't want to help out as long as he can have someone else take care of them, I don't know him but he's probably a typical Liberal that has no black friends, gives no money to charity and has never donated an hour of his life to public service. I'm surrounded by those people in NY

You agree with not what I actually say, but with the imaginary talking points in your head. Nice try.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Riot

How is this remotely a serious question? Are you completely ignorant of how business works? Because when people work to set up systems, we pay them. We don't demand they work for free.



Because of Republican fear that, god forbid, one American pay one penny they don't want to for another American's well-being.

Did you pay zero attention during the healthcare debates? It sure seems like it.



I don't know. Why don't you ask the private insurance companies that are going to continue to write those policies on the exchanges?

I assume you already know that won't have anything at all to do with you, as you are already insured.



Because that's what happens now with your insurance, and the ACA doesn't change that. Maybe you don't understand the concept of "groups" and "spread risk"?



So you' rather have people who are uninsured now, remain uninsured, than to pay for a portion of their health insurance? That's stupid. I want them to pay what they can, and stop costing me an arm and a leg by being uninsured, and having me cover 100% of their cost to go to the ER now. I'm paying for them now, and they can start paying a fair share. You are against that? Ridiculous.



Really? Prove it. Quote actual figures. Because every other financial organization that has looked at it has scored your contention as false.

Stop pretending to know anything about health care and the ACA and have "reasons" to dislike the ACA. It's clear you do not. You never mention anything factual. Just say you hate Obama, and everything he is associated with. That would be at least be respectable due to honesty.

all well and good...except for this part:


overall, obamacare will cause a 127 billion dollar increase in spending by 2020. where will that money come from? that's the difference between the savings in medicare, but the corresponding increased cost of medicaid. obamacare isn't a foolproof plan at all, and certainly isn't the savings that was trumpeted at the time it was passed. all they talked about was the savings to medicare-and that's true. the increase in medicaid isn't mentioned much, is it?
and i also read that obama and his admin are wanting the supreme court to hold off on any obamacare case until after the next election. that if the portion of the law that requires you to purchase insurance is struck down, it takes the whole law down as it will then have to be reworked. that they might try to get the appeals court to re-hear the case as one way to slow it from reaching the supreme court as quickly.

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by Danzig

and i also read that obama and his admin are wanting the supreme court to hold off on any obamacare case until after the next election. that if the portion of the law that requires you to purchase insurance is struck down, it takes the whole law down as it will then have to be reworked. that they might try to get the appeals court to re-hear the case as one way to slow it from reaching the supreme court as quickly.

I hope Chief Justice Roberts gives Obama a nice two word message (not "Happy Birthday") on waiting to hear the case.

Nothing we can do about the appeals re-hearing if that in fact requires a delay in the Supreme Court.

Funny how it's always about that next election, isn't it? I mean, both sides play that game, but in this case it doesn't matter how unconstitutional or ineffective toward improving health the law will be, as long as it's after the next election.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by joeydb

I hope Chief Justice Roberts gives Obama a nice two word message (not "Happy Birthday") on waiting to hear the case.

Nothing we can do about the appeals re-hearing if that in fact requires a delay in the Supreme Court.

Funny how it's always about that next election, isn't it? I mean, both sides play that game, but in this case it doesn't matter how unconstitutional or ineffective toward improving health the law will be, as long as it's after the next election.

asking the appellate court to reconsider the case is one delaying tactic. of course the hope would be that they change their decision, which would be a slim chance at best.

all i know regarding politics is that the adage of 'how great the sin when someone else commits is' really fits pols well. they both engage in the same tactics, and they both reproach the other for doing so.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Danzig

asking the appellate court to reconsider the case is one delaying tactic. of course the hope would be that they change their decision, which would be a slim chance at best.

Haven't the appellate courts already ruled 3-2 in favor of the Affordable Care Act mandate provision?

Or were that the lower courts, with the appellates in favor 2-1?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=of61E...eature=related