Something wrong with Overdriven.. already

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by Riot

Gotta run the fastest to be able to blow it apart, unfortunately.

Huh?

[dino]

When one trainer towers over the rest there's a very good chance he just has better drugs. I have never trusted that arrogant SOB. He's no better than Dutrow, but that's only my opinion.

[SOREHOOF]

Originally Posted by dino

When one trainer towers over the rest there's a very good chance he just has better drugs. I have never trusted that arrogant SOB. He's no better than Dutrow, but that's only my opinion.

I met Pletcher at Saratoga last year between races on CCOA day. He was very cordial, took the time to speak with me, not the least bit arrogant. Class act. He gets the better horses to start with.

[trackrat59]

Originally Posted by SOREHOOF

I met Pletcher at Saratoga last year between races on CCOA day. He was very cordial, took the time to speak with me, not the least bit arrogant. Class act. He gets the better horses to start with.

Nice that he talked to you but that does not make him a class act.

To me this particular TAP storyline is getting old. If he were my trainer I would drive my horse trailer over to his barn, load my horses, and head for the hills.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

Huh?

Slow horses rarely break. Fast horses are the ones that run up to, and thus through, physiologic limits.

The scintigraphy should be able to show a hot spot other than where they already blistered the glut. Internal blisters are a double-edged sword, it makes people want to keep the horse in work when they should be healing. Here's an article about it with ultrasound pics (I'll try and find some scintigraphy pics) http://www.racingvictoria.net.au/ass...-LWalmsley.pdf

Here's a whole bunch of scintigraphy pics of horses w/various problems (the white is the "hot spot" that shows inflammation) P 354-370.
http://books.google.com/books?id=MQT...muscle&f=false

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by Riot

Slow horses rarely break. Fast horses are the ones that run up to, and thus through, physiologic limits.

Who knew Penn National had such high quality racing?

Come on, horses break down at every class level. In some instances, they even break down during a routine gallop. "Speed" is not the only significant factor.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

Come on, horses break down at every class level. In some instances, they even break down during a routine gallop. "Speed" is not the only significant factor.

I didn't say it was. I was referring to mechanisms and physics of injury, and yes, the fast horses - especially young ones - are more prone to have injuries caused by their speed (which involves lever strength, bone maturity, etc) blowing through physiologic limitations (stress fracture origins, muscle tears, strain/sprain, etc).

Yes, all horses break down at all levels. There is a difference between cause the P2 fracture in the 5-year-old claimer at Penn and a catastrophic fractured sesamoid in a 2-year-old colt.

[Alan07]

Overdriven, winner of the Grade 3 Sanford, will not race again this year due to bone re-modeling, according to trainer Todd Pletcher.
http://www.drf.com/news/saratoga-overdriven-done-year

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Riot

I didn't say it was. I was referring to mechanisms and physics of injury, and yes, the fast horses - especially young ones - are more prone to have injuries caused by their speed (which involves lever strength, bone maturity, etc) blowing through physiologic limitations (stress fracture origins, muscle tears, strain/sprain, etc).

Yes, all horses break down at all levels. There is a difference between cause the P2 fracture in the 5-year-old claimer at Penn and a catastrophic fractured sesamoid in a 2-year-old colt.

Dr Riot why do you waste your time with Rollo, he wouldnt know a horse from donkey. He acts like he has actually touched a horse other then in a petting zoo?

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Dr Riot why do you waste your time with Rollo, he wouldnt know a horse from donkey. He acts like he has actually touched a horse other then in a petting zoo?

If it wasn't for me, how else would we be audience to such a masterful display of back-pedaling? Any faster in reverse and something might have blown apart.

Physiologically, that is...

[Riot]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

If it wasn't for me, how else would we be audience to such a masterful display of back-pedaling? Any faster in reverse and something might have blown apart.

Physiologically, that is...

Excuse me? Your failure to be able to understand anything beyond the utterly simplistic, "all horses break down" isn't backpedaling on my part.

Here, for those other posters that would like to actually learn something about horses and the different types of injury they can get, and why "the good ones" so often seem to get injured:

I pointed out the well-known bone physiologic truth, " ... the fast horses - especially young ones - are more prone to have injuries caused by their speed (which involves lever strength, bone maturity, etc) blowing through physiologic limitations (stress fracture origins, muscle tears, strain/sprain, etc)."

Overdriven has exactly this type of "young, fast" horse injury: "Overdriven, winner of the Grade 3 Sanford, will not race again this year due to bone re-modeling, according to trainer Todd Pletcher. 'Basically, he has some changes to his cannon bones that were signs of immaturity,' Pletcher said. 'No fractures, no surgery necessary, we just decided we’d give him some time off and focus on Gulfstream.' "