Jan Schakowsky release awesome Jobs Bill

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

So since these are apparently all fake jobs, let's hear your plan for creating real ones. I've yet to hear one legitimate jobs initiative from any conservative, in congress or out.

Cry about socialism and big government all you want, this country badly needs a WPA-style jobs program to reanimate the middle class and increase consumer spending. Tax cuts haven't done it, and Schakowsky's right that 'incentivizing' and all the other terms that essentially translate to giving corporations more breaks that they never use to hire workers anyway are a load of bullshit.

There has been pretty much nothing but Republican economic policy implemented since the sackless one entered office and unemployment is still a huge problem. So either lay out a definitive, direct jobs initiative or get off the pot. Or is this current situation OK with you?

Who pays for these jobs when the Fed govt money runs out? These aren't real jobs, these are federally funded temp jobs. Are the hundreds of thousands of student and youth jobs going to help the middle class? Are the maintenace jobs what middle America is looking for? Who pays for the billions of dollars in residual benefits these workers will acrue?

Your girls plan is a joke and supporting it without coming up with answers for the questions posed shows a lack of basic understanding of how the real world works and what the jobs issue entails.

[Cannon Shell]

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...iness_newsreel

You want a plan? Help these companies stay afloat like we did Banks and auto companies. These are real jobs at risk but I guess this wouldnt be very popular among progressives.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...atestHeadlines

So the 120k "govt" jobs lost here don't matter when we can hire "community" workers?

Throwing this out...


The Fed is going to buy some of the mortgages from the banks and in turn they will ease the f. up on credit.

[Riot]

So ... where's the conservative jobs plan?

Anyone?

Maybe another tax cut? And another capitals gains deduction. And a foreign income tax holiday!

That would make corporations (whoops, "Job Creators") feel more secure, so they will hire and expand, to serve a demand that is no longer there, because the jobs they shifted overseas have left the American middle class with no money to spend on consumerism.

Damn. Pyramid schemes are like that.

Yes, if only the wealthiest had more money, on top of the record 1.2 trillion they are sitting upon and keeping out of the economy, they would feel confident enough to create jobs and grow, in spite of there being no demand possible.

Presuming economic growth in a consumer vacuum ... trickle-down Reaganomics at it's best.

Who are the stupid ones again?

Yes, temporary jobs, for 1-3 years, that leaves tangible results, that produce ... consumers.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

So ... where's the conservative jobs plan?

Anyone?

Maybe another tax cut? And another capitals gains deduction. And a foreign income tax holiday!

That would make corporations (whoops, "Job Creators") feel more secure, so they will hire and expand, to serve a demand that is no longer there, because the jobs they shifted overseas have left the American middle class with no money to spend on consumerism.

Damn. Pyramid schemes are like that.

Yes, if only the wealthiest had more money, on top of the record 1.2 trillion they are sitting upon and keeping out of the economy, they would feel confident enough to create jobs and grow, in spite of there being no demand possible.

Presuming economic growth in a consumer vacuum ... trickle-down Reaganomics at it's best.

Who are the stupid ones again?

Yes, temporary jobs, for 1-3 years, that leaves tangible results, that produce ... consumers.

When faced with legitimate questions you come up with rhetoric.
So what happens in 1-3 years to these people? Oh thats right we give them 99 more weeks of unemployment benefits? Who pays for that? Creating ridiclous temporary jobs for community "helpers" and 16 year olds as a way to grow the economy?

Yeah just like food stamps were great economic stimulus...

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

When faced with legitimate questions you come up with rhetoric.

Unlike your answer? "It's stupid!" [ no explaination ]

So what happens in 1-3 years to these people? Oh thats right we give them 99 more weeks of unemployment benefits? Who pays for that? Creating ridiclous temporary jobs for community "helpers" and 16 year olds as a way to grow the economy?

Geeshus, read the damn article, read the entire detail of the suggestion itself on the website, and get remotely accurate. The vast majority of the jobs are not "ridiculous temporary jobs for 16 year olds"

Oh, wait - just skip that for your own typical right-wing knee-jerk angry rhetoric.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

Unlike your answer? "It's stupid!" [ no explaination ]



Geeshus, read the damn article, read the entire detail of the suggestion itself on the website, and get remotely accurate. The vast majority of the jobs are not "ridiculous temporary jobs for 16 year olds"

Oh, wait - just skip that for your own typical right-wing knee-jerk angry rhetoric.

Explanation? What about asking who pays for these jobs when the fed money runs out? Who bears the brunt of the costs of the jobs moving forward? Or is this a half-law too to be figured out at a later date?

No the jobs are janitors, tree huggers, "work study", fix it men, and the nebulous "community" workers.

Yeah this sounds like a sustainable plan to turn the economy around.

A job isnt something that just is "created" and sustained because people don't have one. There has to be a purpose AND there has to be a way to pay for them. The purpose given may be admirable (well as long as you ignore the political implications of those being "given" jobs) but there is no way to sustain these jobs unless there is unlimited federal money (not happening) or the states/local govts will have these expenses thrust upon them at a time they can least afford them. And if these jobs are simply stopgap, temporary jobs are these same people going to return to the gov't payroll in the form of unemployment payments?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Riot

So ... where's the conservative jobs plan?

Anyone?

Maybe another tax cut? And another capitals gains deduction. And a foreign income tax holiday!

That would make corporations (whoops, "Job Creators") feel more secure, so they will hire and expand, to serve a demand that is no longer there, because the jobs they shifted overseas have left the American middle class with no money to spend on consumerism.

Damn. Pyramid schemes are like that.

Yes, if only the wealthiest had more money, on top of the record 1.2 trillion they are sitting upon and keeping out of the economy, they would feel confident enough to create jobs and grow, in spite of there being no demand possible.

Presuming economic growth in a consumer vacuum ... trickle-down Reaganomics at it's best.

Who are the stupid ones again?

Yes, temporary jobs, for 1-3 years, that leaves tangible results, that produce ... consumers.

just because she produced a plan doesn't mean it's necessarily a good one. is it a start? sure. but just because you and dailykos both call it awesome, doesn't mean it really is.

if it's temporary, where does the tax money collected in future years go? or is that a temporary tax as well? somehow, i doubt it. all the teachers, firemen, etc-who pays for them after the 1-3 years? more pushed on the states in a few years time, along with obamacare, to be trumpeted as savings? 50k per job is the average-how does that work out specifically, since many of the jobs are for summer help, or temp jobs? that's the main problem with jobs created by the govt, paid for by tax payers-there's no generation of profits from sales, etc. it's not a private sector job that sustains itself.
like i said, an idea. a start. awesome??? not so much.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Danzig

if it's temporary, where does the tax money collected in future years go? or is that a temporary tax as well? somehow, i doubt it. all the teachers, firemen, etc-who pays for them after the 1-3 years? more pushed on the states in a few years time, along with obamacare, to be trumpeted as savings? 50k per job is the average-how does that work out specifically, since many of the jobs are for summer help, or temp jobs? that's the main problem with jobs created by the govt, paid for by tax payers-there's no generation of profits from sales, etc. it's not a private sector job that sustains itself.
like i said, an idea. a start. awesome??? not so much.

Glad you can determine that by creating a list of good questions, then dismissing any possible answers out of hand with no investigation, assuming you won't like the answers.

You could try reading the entire bill and investigating it further, too, as no, "most of the jobs" are not summer help, temp jobs.

[Riot]

So let's see ... the sum of the brilliant and in-depth political opinion on the pros and cons of this suggested jobs bill mostly boils down to, "I don't like what I superficially skimmed and misinterpreted about it on an internet list quoting a couple of excerpts from a newspaper article, and I don't like Democrats, so it sucks!"

Yes, let's continue follow the brilliant Republican Tea Party economic policy where the deficit ceiling raise is threatened! Yeah, that just got us downgraded to AA+, but that's Obama's fault.

Or let's pretend trickle-down economics worked during the past 40 years, in spite of factual evidence to the contrary, and didn't greatly help get us to the financial disaster we're at now.

No wonder this country is so unbelievably messed up. One political party is determined to do no work to help this country, but just to bring the other party down, and they have already willingly sacrificed this country to get there. And have gleefully said they'd do it again.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Riot

Glad you can determine that by creating a list of good questions, then dismissing any possible answers out of hand with no investigation, assuming you won't like the answers.

You could try reading the entire bill and investigating it further, too, as no, "most of the jobs" are not summer help, temp jobs.

so....you can't answer my good questions, you just dismiss the post...by accusing me of dismissing the subject. lol
you're the one on here bringing up these awesome ideas, why do you throw in the towel so easily?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

Throwing this out...


The Fed is going to buy some of the mortgages from the banks and in turn they will ease the f. up on credit.

don't know why they didn't already. bailed out insurance co's, gm...but one real issue seems to be a continuing credit crunch. this action would certainly ease that.