We're Doomed, He Hasn't a Clue

[jms62]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

I'm not talking about ridiculous spending, I'm talking about the day to day cost of living. There are many people just struggling to survive now. How are they supposed to save for their retirements?

Dell is without Sympathy or Empathy for his fellow Americans although he will tell us otherwise despite the hundreds of posts that confirm the former.

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by jms62

Dell is without Sympathy or Empathy for his fellow Americans although he will tell us otherwise despite the hundreds of posts that confirm the former.

...in your opinion.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by joeydb

...in your opinion.

And so are you clueless.

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by jms62

Dell is without Sympathy or Empathy for his fellow Americans although he will tell us otherwise despite the hundreds of posts that confirm the former.

Really J, what I'm saying has nothing to do with party lines. Cause honestly, the politicians don't give a s.hit about anything else except getting re-elected.
There are a lot of people hurting out there. We have discussed it before, the cost of living keeps going up and wages are not. The housing market continues to slip and you have to believe that there will eventually be a big credit card situation. For the most part, people with jobs can't be worried about raises, they are just happy to be employed. So honestly to Dell (or whoever else thinks they have the answer) how are people who are barely making ends meet now (if they are even doing that), supposed to save for their retirement?

[rpncaine]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

Really J, what I'm saying has nothing to do with party lines. Cause honestly, the politicians don't give a s.hit about anything else except getting re-elected.
There are a lot of people hurting out there. We have discussed it before, the cost of living keeps going up and wages are not. The housing market continues to slip and you have to believe that there will eventually be a big credit card situation. For the most part, people with jobs can't be worried about raises, they are just happy to be employed. So honestly to Dell (or whoever else thinks they have the answer) how are people who are barely making ends meet now (if they are even doing that), supposed to save for their retirement?

Yep, and the companies know it too. They are using it for leverage. Shut up, do your job or we'll get one of the 100's of others who would love to have your job.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by rpncaine

Yep, and the companies know it too. They are using it for leverage. Shut up, do your job or we'll get one of the 100's of others who would love to have your job.

But according to Joey thats ok becuase they are in business to make a profit and OWE Nothing to the country they operate in. They shouldn't be taxed , regulated and they should hire workers where they are the cheapest.

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by jms62

But according to Joey thats ok becuase they are in business to make a profit and OWE Nothing to the country they operate in. They shouldn't be taxed , regulated and they should hire workers where they are the cheapest.

They ARE in business to make profit. That's indisputable. That's what separates them from nonprofit corporations.

Any taxes that are levied ARE paid by the consumers of the products and services of that company. It's pointless to keep raising taxes on corporations, ipso facto.

They CAN move and WILL move if they can profit by that, or undo a would-be loss.

Last, but not least - if you are successful in extracting sums of money from companies through taxes, fees, regulations and the like, and you also prevent them somehow from moving or passing the costs on to the consumers, they will go out of business. Unlike the government, they cannot operate at a loss.

I'm not saying I like it that way. I'm saying that's the way it really is, and it is pointless to talk about "the way it should be."

[jms62]

Originally Posted by joeydb

They ARE in business to make profit. That's indisputable. That's what separates them from nonprofit corporations.

Any taxes that are levied ARE paid by the consumers of the products and services of that company. It's pointless to keep raising taxes on corporations, ipso facto.

They CAN move and WILL move if they can profit by that, or undo a would-be loss.

Last, but not least - if you are successful in extracting sums of money from companies through taxes, fees, regulations and the like, and you also prevent them somehow from moving or passing the costs on to the consumers, they will go out of business. Unlike the government, they cannot operate at a loss.

I'm not saying I like it that way. I'm saying that's the way it really is, and it is pointless to talk about "the way it should be."

LOL... Isn't this wholeboard about "How it Should Be" ?

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by jms62

LOL... Isn't this wholeboard about "How it Should Be" ?

Yeah, OK I should have given a qualifier on my response. There are things we can change and then there are the economic equivalent of the laws of physics. I believe, and you may disagree, that the elements I listed in my last post belong to the latter category.

I'm all for better ideas that will actually work in bringing increased prosperity and freedom to as many citizens as possible. But they have to be sustainable. "Eating the rich" will not work. Eventually the rich stop producing and shelter their money, or they move.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by joeydb

They ARE in business to make profit. That's indisputable. That's what separates them from nonprofit corporations.

Any taxes that are levied ARE paid by the consumers of the products and services of that company. It's pointless to keep raising taxes on corporations, ipso facto.

They CAN move and WILL move if they can profit by that, or undo a would-be loss.

Last, but not least - if you are successful in extracting sums of money from companies through taxes, fees, regulations and the like, and you also prevent them somehow from moving or passing the costs on to the consumers, they will go out of business. Unlike the government, they cannot operate at a loss.

I'm not saying I like it that way. I'm saying that's the way it really is, and it is pointless to talk about "the way it should be."

So how's that been working out for us for the past 50 years, hum?

You have zero, absolutely zero, concrete grasp of how the economic corporate engine of this country is functioning now, and has been for the past 50 years, and what changes have wrought over that time, and how corps have benefited or not, and what has happened to our jobs. Zero.