Obama’s and Bush’s effects on the deficit in one graph

[alysheba4]

Originally Posted by Riot

I don't think that's it. I think it's just that he truly views himself as a conciliator. That's why he's such a poor negotiator.

explain please.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by alysheba4

explain please.

I disagree with the assessment that he's insecure and needy. I think that's laughable and ridiculously wrong, based upon how he's acted his adult life, and how he acts now.

I think he views himself as a conciliator mediating between parties, "the adult in the room", and obviously puts that before being partisan. Which infuriates his base.

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by Riot

I disagree with the assessment that he's insecure and needy. I think that's laughable and ridiculously wrong, based upon how he's acted his adult life, and how he acts now.

I think he views himself as a conciliator mediating between parties, "the adult in the room", and obviously puts that before being partisan. Which infuriates his base.

The "adult in the room" is supposed to be commanding and make the calls. How someone views themselves and how you view them and how I view them are all very different.

Insecure and needy are excessive descriptions of the truth.

[Riot]

The "adult in the room" is supposed to be commanding and make the calls. How someone views themselves and how you view them and how I view them are all very different.

Yep. We just see it differently.

[Danzig]

that's the problem, conciliation hasn't gotten us anywhere...
one way he tried to make everyone happy was by agreeing to extend the bush tax cuts-a huge mistake.
plus, if you keep showing you're willing to bend, guess what the opposition is going to keep trying? they certainly aren't going to reciprocate in kind.

we all have heard the adage about what happens if you try to please everyone. the republicans have been wrong about many things, the dems as well. giving in on a wrong thing does not suddenly make that wrong become right.


i think they should offer to take obamacare off the books in return for a tax increase. the problem i see with obamacare is that it still has too many questions-especially for potential employers. they are hesitant to hire, as they aren't quite sure what the cost of employing people will be here in the next couple years. if that is a hiring inhibitor, it needs to go. anything that will grow jobs needs to be the #1 priority, as it supposedly was a couple years ago. more employment, and all the other dominoes fall. medicaire costs decrease, the deficit because more taxes are coming in, etc, etc, etc.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i think they should offer to take obamacare off the books in return for a tax increase. .

They wouldn't have to. Just apply Obamacare taxes to paying down the debt. Not financing some idiotic project similar to cash for clunkers. For God's sake we could now use both the billions paid out and the millions of cars destroyed by the moron in chief.

[Danzig]

just seems there could have been better deal making.

and the deal i'm thinking of is where the tax cuts were continued in exchange for unemployment bennies continuing...just how were we to pay for the one by giving up the other? how much $$ did that cost-not the benefits, the tax cuts?
and we wouldn't be AA+ right now had that not happened. it was a bad deal.


i am so sick and tired of d.c. being in permanent election mode, in permanent 'we'll get the other guy' mode. because now WE'RE the other guy.