March 16th 1996

[philcski]

Turfway was $37K? Is that right? They are half that now for most of the meet.

[Calzone Lord]

Yeah - I was surprised by that as well

[Calzone Lord]

Originally Posted by philcski

Turfway was $37K? Is that right? They are half that now for most of the meet.

By the way Phil - I just looked.

Here was Turfway Park's takeout than: 16% on WPS and 19% on all exotics.

Here is Turfway Park's Takeout now: 17.5% on WPS and 22% on all exotics.


So - at some point over the last 15 years - Turfway decided to raise its WPS takeout by 1.5% and it's exotic takeout by 3%.

Nice move, dipsh!ts. Tampa Bay Downs does double your handle now.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

By the way Phil - I just looked.

Here was Turfway Park's takeout than: 16% on WPS and 19% on all exotics.

Here is Turfway Park's Takeout now: 17.5% on WPS and 22% on all exotics.


So - at some point over the last 15 years - Turfway decided to raise its WPS takeout by 1.5% and it's exotic takeout by 3%.

Nice move, dipsh!ts. Tampa Bay Downs does double your handle now.

So they were in line with CD and Keeneland previously? Considering KEE owns a good portion of TP I wonder why they changed it.

[Calzone Lord]

Originally Posted by philcski

So they were in line with CD and Keeneland previously? Considering KEE owns a good portion of TP I wonder why they changed it.

Yes. According to old DRF Charts.

[Cannon Shell]

The MSW purse for the vast majority of the Tampa is not 25k. It is closer to 17k with 2k FL bred money added.


In 05 the nw1x was 14500 and the nw2x was 15700 for FL breds

In 08 the nw1x was 20200 for FL breds

In 11 the nw1x was 21200 for FL breds

subtract 2-3k from the FL bred purses for the actual purse

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by philcski

Turfway was $37K? Is that right? They are half that now for most of the meet.

A lot of that purse was KTDF money.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

A lot of that purse was KTDF money.

Makes sense...

How much is KTDF money now? CD is like $10kish per race right?

[phystech]

Interesting - Laurel's 1996 MSW purse was shown as @$17k. Today it is @$30k, and that does not include a $5k bonus for MD-bred winners.

During the time of Tampa's greatly increased handle, Laurel's has dramatically decreased. Yet, Lau's purses are much better.

So, again, why are Tampa's purses so bad?? Where is all the money going?

[Calzone Lord]

Originally Posted by phystech

Interesting - Laurel's 1996 MSW purse was shown as @$17k. Today it is @$30k, and that does not include a $5k bonus for MD-bred winners.

During the time of Tampa's greatly increased handle, Laurel's has dramatically decreased. Yet, Lau's purses are much better.

So, again, why are Tampa's purses so bad?? Where is all the money going?

Cannon Shell's take:

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Tampa Bays purses arent higher because the TB HBPA is controlled by hacks from Suffolk who dont want purses to get too much higher because they know wont be able to compete and even more legit trainers will want to show up for better money. They have no objection to increases to the stakes purses because they are mostly won by ship-ins and with the handle increasing they have to use the money somewhere.

Also...

The stakes programs in Maryland - outside of Preakness day - has come under very hard times. Tampa went from a weak stakes schedule -- to now having two different Graded Stakes Derby prep's -- they also have very good stakes throughout all divisions... even turf sprinters.

Going from N1X alw races with $4,500 purses - to hosting great stretch duels between Street Sense and Any Given Saturday or Gio Ponti and Karelian - it's a step in the right direction on that front.