Obama’s and Bush’s effects on the deficit in one graph

[Seattleallstar]

but nooo Bush tax cuts would mean the rich would invest more and give the poor people jobs........................

[dellinger63]

LMAO the wars we're fighting in Lybia (ok that's invisible) Iraq and Afghanistan are completely missing from Obama's side. Unless all these wars are costing a total of zero or Obama is being babysat by Bush. Where's Fannie, Freddie Cash for Clunkers, Hi-Speed rail and how much money has been taken in for Obamacare v. distributed. Your chart is fantasy Once Again!

Yea just horrible lowering a 37% tax rate to 34% while almost half of households pay zero %. That was totally unfair!

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

LMAO the wars we're fighting in Lybia (ok that's invisible) Iraq and Afghanistan are completely missing from Obama's side. Unless all these wars are costing a total of zero or Obama is being babysat by Bush. Where's Fannie, Freddie Cash for Clunkers, Hi-Speed rail and how much money has been taken in for Obamacare v. distributed. Your chart is fantasy Once Again!

Yea just horrible lowering a 37% tax rate to 34% while almost half of households pay zero %. That was totally unfair!

If you could read, you'd be dangerous.

[Danzig]

god knows i'll sleep better at night knowing which dipsh!t politician made the most mess. yep, that helps this country so much, assigning blame to whichever lying loser did what and when. we're broke and going broker, but it's not the current guy..nope, he hangs the ****ing moon.

Yeah he's awesome now. I'm convinced.

A douche and a turd...your choice.

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

Yeah he's awesome now. I'm convinced.

A douche and a turd...your choice.

Winner

[DaTruth]

Originally Posted by Danzig

god knows i'll sleep better at night knowing which dipsh!t politician made the most mess. yep, that helps this country so much, assigning blame to whichever lying loser did what and when. we're broke and going broker, but it's not the current guy..nope, he hangs the ****ing moon.

It is just a preview of the 2012 campaign strategy. Turn the clock back to 2008.

[Riot]

The 2012 campaign strategy for Obama better be defending himself as remotely Democratic, and for the GOP candidate to not be simply crazy. Mitt and Jon could carry that off.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

The 2012 campaign strategy for Obama better be defending himself as remotely Democratic, and for the GOP candidate to not be simply crazy. Mitt and Jon could carry that off.

Obama is so weak right now all the republicans should do is stand behind him and give the everytime he speaks. That and put up an old 'cash for clunkers' poster and the huge plans he had for cap and trade. Not to mention the new taxes related to Obamacare (that was supposed to be a money saver. ) Lamer than a lame duck. Let's see how fast he can burn through $2 trillion?

And with this wake up call, let's stop allowing the SS fund to be the cash station for the gov. and cease the IOU's from the treasury. They (SS) have plenty of them already, in fact that's all they have!

[clyde]

Originally Posted by Riot

If you could read, you'd be dangerous.

and if you could be made gone by a simple eye blink, the wide awake REM at NT would cause a million ships to sink

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Seattleallstar

but nooo Bush tax cuts would mean the rich would invest more and give the poor people jobs........................

So let's see how that worked for us? Bush gave big tax cuts to privates and business in 2001 and 2003. What happened to jobs? What did the "job creators" do with all that massive tax cut cash that made them "confident"?

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by Riot

So let's see how that worked for us? Bush gave big tax cuts to privates and business in 2001 and 2003. What happened to jobs? What did the "job creators" do with all that massive tax cut cash that made them "confident"?

why don't you show a chart of spending as a percentage of GDP?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by wiphan

why don't you show a chart of spending as a percentage of GDP?

Because we were talking about what happened to job growth during the Bush years as a result of his massive tax cuts.

So I posted a chart about job growth.

Job growth tanked after the massive Bush tax cut givaways of 2001 and 2003.

Oh, but it should have grown! Giving massive tax cuts to the "job creators" makes jobs appear! At least according to the Republican economic platform.

Except it's been proven that it does not. How many times did Reagan have to raise taxes?

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

Because we were talking about what happened to job growth during the Bush years as a result of his massive tax cuts.

So I posted a chart about job growth.

Job growth tanked after the massive Bush tax cut givaways of 2001 and 2003.

Oh, but it should have grown! Giving massive tax cuts to the "job creators" makes jobs appear! At least according to the Republican economic platform.

Except it's been proven that it does not. How many times did Reagan have to raise taxes?

Remember? there was an attack on the World Trade Center, 9/11/01, when we were attacked for the first time since Pearl Harbor?

Yea reduce the military budget some more and for God's sake, free paps smears for all, finally!

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Remember? there was an attack on the World Trade Center, 9/11/01, when we were attacked on our homeland for the first time since Pearl Harbor?

Geeshus cripes: First, No, that was not the first time we were attacked on our homeland for the first time since Pearl Harbor. Go google: terrorist and World Trade Center, and look before 09-11-01. Get back to me on that one.

Secondly, what the holy eff does that have to do with tax cuts and job growth?

Go have another drink.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

Secondly, what the holy eff does that have to do with tax cuts and job growth?

Go have another drink.

Go google economic effects of 9-11, first for the travel business and then for business as a whole. That's what it has to do with job growth or the lack of it you fool!

Tomorrow is Miller night.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Riot

Because we were talking about what happened to job growth during the Bush years as a result of his massive tax cuts.

So I posted a chart about job growth.

Job growth tanked after the massive Bush tax cut givaways of 2001 and 2003.

Oh, but it should have grown! Giving massive tax cuts to the "job creators" makes jobs appear! At least according to the Republican economic platform.

Except it's been proven that it does not. How many times did Reagan have to raise taxes?

well, i guess the defense of 'it would have been worse without the cuts' wouldn't fly? it works so well when the stimulus comes up.....

but since they did nothing, it makes one wonder why the next prez continued the cuts. or maybe not!

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Danzig

well, i guess the defense of 'it would have been worse without the cuts' wouldn't fly? it works so well when the stimulus comes up.....

but since they did nothing, it makes one wonder why the next prez continued the cuts. or maybe not!

I'm sick of this meme that the stimulus "did nothing". We'd be in a depression for 2 years if it wasn't there. The stimulus is ending now, and look what the hell is happening with removal of those funds from the economy. And Congress just cut spending even more.

We are doomed to repeat our arrogant idiocy of our recent past financial disasters. Un-effing-believable.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Riot

I'm sick of this meme that the stimulus "did nothing". We'd be in a depression for 2 years if it wasn't there. The stimulus is ending now, and look what the hell is happening with removal of those funds from the economy. And Congress just cut spending even more.

We are doomed to repeat our arrogant idiocy of our recent past financial disasters. Un-effing-believable.

and you completely missed my point. if the stimulus kept things from getting worse, couldn't the same be said about the tax decrease?? i guess not. yet if it did nothing, it was continued-why was it continued if it was a mistake? your remark about the gop being the reason for our issues is laughable, they didn't accomplish this on their own. yet i'm the one who needs to be objective??

and as for your lengthy post just above this one, yes, our infrastructure needs help. what that has to do with tax payer dollars going to provide low income homes with high speed internet i don't know. i thought that was why libraries put all those computers in with internet that we're paying for? if folks are low income, exactly how are they supposed to access the high speed internet? i guess we buy the computers too, then people in more households can get on facebook and watch youtube..we don't have enough of that already. that'll certainly help get us back on the road to prosperity.

[Danzig]

since this thread deals with the deficit, i thought it was a good place to put this...now, my husband and i live out in the country, so we have satellite internet. right now, with the intense heat, we lose signal in the afternoons. hubby is fed up, went to the hughes site, and look what's on there:


Exclusive savings for eligible customers
You may be eligible for substantial savings with the help of the Recovery Act program.
In an effort to make high-speed Internet available to millions of Americans who don't have access, the Federal Government has made it possible for eligible households that qualify to get satellite Internet at a significantly reduced price. This limited-time opportunity is made possible with the direct assistance of the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act (ARRA).

Find out if your address is eligible to benefit from the Recovery Act program.




so...we're broke, but our taxpayer dollars are going towards high speed internet...unbelievable. wonder what james madison would say about that!