Tea Party kicks Boehner in the teeth - again

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Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

Based on that theory there would not be a democrat ever elected to any public office in this country.

I strongly suggest you objectively look at the financial policies that each party actually practiced when in office since 1960.

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Originally Posted by Riot

I strongly suggest you objectively look at the financial policies that each party actually practiced when in office since 1960.

Strictly referencing the uninformed voting block. I no longer have an allegiance to either party. Most logical thinking voters have been abandoned.

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Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

Strictly referencing the uninformed voting block. I no longer have an allegiance to either party. Most logical thinking voters have been abandoned.

Strictly referencing the informed voting block: I think most voters over the past 50 years haven't much changed their personal politics, the two major parties have changed markedly around them.

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Originally Posted by Riot

Strictly referencing the informed voting block: I think most voters over the past 50 years haven't much changed their personal politics, the two major parties have changed markedly around them.

My statement goes back to your saying that uninformed people should not be allowed to vote. The parties have indeed changed to a fault and left a lot of people in the wind. The sheer number of voters has multiplied so much over the past 50 years the personal politics of those that have been voting that long are irrelevant now, with fantastic marketing campaigns and get out the vote movements bringing the uninformed to the polls it doesn't matter.

We agree, no uninformed voters. Take a test, be employed, serve the country, contribute you get to vote. Citizen vs. Resident one votes the other deals with it. Good plan.

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Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

My statement goes back to your saying that uninformed people should not be allowed to vote.

Yes, I know. To make it clear to everyone, that was sarcastic - I strongly believe in no poll tax, no discrimination towards voting by any citizen.

Which is why I oppose the targeted Republican (RGA sponsored) voting suppression efforts in multiple states across this country before 2012 election.

I am, however, appalled at the general lack of factual knowledge that many voting citizens demonstrate.

And as an aside, I went to the country clerks office today to renew license plates. If you want a voter ID card, they make it hard as hell - have to go to multiple offices, two different buildings (one for photo, one for paperwork).

The parties have indeed changed to a fault and left a lot of people in the wind. The sheer number of voters has multiplied so much over the past 50 years the personal politics of those that have been voting that long are irrelevant now, with fantastic marketing campaigns and get out the vote movements bringing the uninformed to the polls it doesn't matter.

I strongly agree with all that.

We agree, no uninformed voters. Take a test, be employed, serve the country, contribute you get to vote. Citizen vs. Resident one votes the other deals with it. Good plan

Sorry. Can't agree. After what happened in 1960's in this country, I would rather continue to interpret the obvious intent of the Constitution, as the founders intended.

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Obama throws the GOP a debt-ceiling rope
July 29, 2011 | 12:15 pm

With practically the first words out his mouth Friday morning, President Obama admonished House Republicans -- again -- not to bother with a debt-ceiling bill that sets the stage for another crisis early next year. Such a bill "does not solve the problem, and it has no chance of becoming law," Obama said.

He was preaching to the choir of the willfully deaf, however. Unable to secure enough GOP votes to pass a debt-ceiling bill that had no chance of winning Senate Democrats' support, House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) reworked his proposal for the second time to make it more toxic to Democrats and even some Senate Republicans.

The new version would reportedly require Congress to approve a balanced budget amendment to the Constitution before the debt ceiling could be raised again early next year, when the government would again reach its borrowing limit. That's a non-starter in the Senate.

If members of the GOP's "tea party" wing weren't so wedded to "cut, cap and balance," they'd see that Obama offered them a way out of this mess. Here's what he said Friday:

We agree on a process where the next step is a debate in the coming months on tax reform and entitlement reform –- and I’m ready and willing to have that debate. And if we need to put in place some kind of enforcement mechanism to hold us all accountable for making these reforms, I’ll support that too if it’s done in a smart and balanced way.

In other words, he's offering a hostage exchange. Instead of putting the "full faith and credit" of the federal government in doubt, Obama said, Republicans should come back to the table with another way to make sure Congress enacts a credible plan to close the budget gap.

Naturally, Obama and Republicans haven't seen eye to eye on enforcement mechanisms so far. But getting an agreement on that issue seems easier than finding a compromise on such things as a balanced-budget amendment or capping federal spending at a certain percentage of gross domestic product.

And make no mistake, settling on a long-term budget plan will be harder than getting an agreement on the debt ceiling. Nobody has offered a real road map for closing the fiscal gap as rapidly as many House members seem to want, and Democrats and House Republicans are far apart on the role that tax revenues should play in reducing the deficit.

Forgive me for pointing this out over and over again, but the budget the House GOP passed with great fanfare in April would run up trillions of dollars in new debt over the coming decade, while still leaving a $440-billion deficit in 2021.

And the "cut, cap and balance" bill the House passed also fails to identify a single program to cut. Instead, it limits total spending to a gradually declining percentage of the economy through 2021, with no guarantee that federal revenues will come anywhere close to those levels.

The specifics of the deficit-cutting plan, however, are a problem for another day. The current drama is all about the hole that House Republicans have dug for themselves. Obama suggested a credible path up and out, and they should take it.

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Originally Posted by Riot

Sorry. Can't agree. After what happened in 1960's in this country, I would rather continue to interpret the obvious intent of the Constitution, as the founders intended.

If only simple words were not left open to interpretation. No need to explain it is written in plain English yet we have "scholars" and lawyers dedicating their lives to trying to wrangle the words to mean what they want them to mean.

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Originally Posted by Riot

And as an aside, I went to the country clerks office today to renew license plates. If you want a voter ID card, they make it hard as hell - have to go to multiple offices, two different buildings (one for photo, one for paperwork).

That's so the county can employ double the amount of mopes and lease or build two buildings from likely a family member of a government official. It's not meant to make it hard as hell for you to register but rather to steal more tax money from you.

Or just maybe they can't find the one guy/lady in your county that has the ability to hand out paperwork AND take a photo?

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