It's all about the kids

[Riot]

Peterson said in his statement to members that some people might use the survey to continue their scapegoating of teachers. But teachers didn't create the financial crisis in Wisconsin, he said.

Those effing rich bastard teachers, living the life of luxury and having to purchase their own classroom supplies out of their pockets. Overpaid and overappreciated! Teachers have always been what's bad about this country. Greedy SOB's.

[Danzig]

no, they didnt cause the problems...altho some might argue that they are a part of a huge problem...be that as it may, i find it interesting that the haves dont want to give a little to help some have nots change their status from unemployed to employed. yep, way to help your union brethren.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Danzig

no, they didnt cause the problems...altho some might argue that they are a part of a huge problem...be that as it may, i find it interesting that the haves dont want to give a little to help some have nots change their status from unemployed to employed. yep, way to help your union brethren.

It is split virtually 50-50 (52-48) so yeah, after already taking a big hit to their salary and pensions, 48% of them are willing to do some more.

Teachers have never been paid enough, nor respected enough in this country. It's very sad. Look at the the ridiculous demonization of teachers the Republican Governors decided upon last year at their convention, to enable them to try and privatize some aspects of government.

Probably why we don't get the high quality of teachers some other countries raise, that would get us into the top 25 in math, science and reading.

When are the lazy and entitled of this country going to wake up and realize that if you want to be in the Top Ten countries in math, science, reading, you have to work at it, you have to emphasize it, and that also costs money?

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

When are the lazy and entitled of this country going to wake up and realize that if you want to be in the Top Ten countries in math, science, reading, you have to work at it, you have to emphasize it, and that also costs money?

who are the lazy and entitled?

[SOREHOOF]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

who are the lazy and entitled?

A lot of the students!

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by SOREHOOF

A lot of the students!

Riot's come up with some good ones but this has the potential to surpass even her hall of fame inductee 'Obama gets it like Carter did'

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Riot's come up with some good ones but this has the potential to surpass even her hall of fame inductee 'Obama gets it like Carter did'

Steve..you need game...she's kicking your butt up and down the field

[Riot]

Originally Posted by SOREHOOF

A lot of the students!

Yes, certainly some students are. Some teachers. Many parents.

We no longer stress education in this country, in fact alot of our public figures openly denigrate math, science and reading, education itself, and call it unnecessary, or "elitist". Teachers are currently being demonized as evil and money grubbing. When it comes to saving money, it's taken first from teachers.

I can't believe what this country is coming to. It's very sad.

We've dropped to 12th in number of college graduates.

The top five countries start teaching physics and chemistry in middle school. We have The Creation Museum!

American educators received a wake-up call today when it was revealed that students in Shanghai rank number one globally in reading, math and science, far outpacing their American peers. Despite modest gains in math and science, the U.S. continues to lag behind other developed countries.

A report out today, "Highlights From PISA 2009: Performance of U.S. 15-Year-Old Students in Reading, Mathematics, and Science Literacy in an International Context," shows the U.S. now ranks 25th in math, 17th in science, and 14th in reading out of the 34 Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD) countries.

While OECD countries such as Finland, South Korea, Canada, Japan, Switzerland and New Zealand continue to outpace the U.S. in reading, science and math, all eyes are on China. In its first year to be included in the study as a non-OECD education system, Shanghai ranked first in all three categories. Hong Kong came in second in reading and science and third in math.

[dagolfer33]

Originally Posted by SOREHOOF

A lot of the students!

Mostly, the parents. I have not, nor ever will rely on anyone else to "educate" my children. And I live in one of the best school districts in our state.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Riot

It is split virtually 50-50 (52-48) so yeah, after already taking a big hit to their salary and pensions, 48% of them are willing to do some more.

Teachers have never been paid enough, nor respected enough in this country. It's very sad. Look at the the ridiculous demonization of teachers the Republican Governors decided upon last year at their convention, to enable them to try and privatize some aspects of government.

Probably why we don't get the high quality of teachers some other countries raise, that would get us into the top 25 in math, science and reading.

When are the lazy and entitled of this country going to wake up and realize that if you want to be in the Top Ten countries in math, science, reading, you have to work at it, you have to emphasize it, and that also costs money?

lazy and entitled wont ever wake up about anyhing...their laziness and sense of entitlement precludes that.
as for the teachers and their thought process....we somehow found money to pay more teachers when class size became the watchword...apparently now that is out the window. teachers bit hook line and sinker when their unions pushed for more teachers~unions benefittted, no one else. had teachers thought a bit, they might have siad no, wait. dont hire more~just pay us more. higher pay, more interest, more applicants, a better gene pool, thus better teachers and a better product.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Danzig

had teachers thought a bit, they might have siad no, wait. dont hire more~just pay us more. higher pay, more interest, more applicants, a better gene pool, thus better teachers and a better product.

Good point.

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by Riot

It is split virtually 50-50 (52-48) so yeah, after already taking a big hit to their salary and pensions, 48% of them are willing to do some more.

Teachers have never been paid enough, nor respected enough in this country. It's very sad. Look at the the ridiculous demonization of teachers the Republican Governors decided upon last year at their convention, to enable them to try and privatize some aspects of government.

Probably why we don't get the high quality of teachers some other countries raise, that would get us into the top 25 in math, science and reading.

When are the lazy and entitled of this country going to wake up and realize that if you want to be in the Top Ten countries in math, science, reading, you have to work at it, you have to emphasize it, and that also costs money?

Just so you know MPS teachers made no concessions and did not receive a decrease in salary or an increase in any of their own personal contribution. They contribute zero towards their pension or healthcare. They rushed their contracts thru so they could do this and then cried and blamed Walker when he cut their budget.

The problem is with the parents not the teachers. The parents need to take responsibility for their children and not treat our educational system as just free daycare until their child turns 18. The reason we don't get high quality teachers is the union system of seniority etc. There is no financial motivation for a teacher to do better than their peers and the guy who turns on the movie projector every day gets paid the same as the teacher who puts in 10-12 hours. The system is broken and WI is trying to change that.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

Those effing rich bastard teachers, living the life of luxury and having to purchase their own classroom supplies out of their pockets. Overpaid and overappreciated! Teachers have always been what's bad about this country. Greedy SOB's.

and to think a good 30-40% of their students are reading at the level they're supposed to be when being advanced, that's huge!

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by Riot

Those effing rich bastard teachers, living the life of luxury and having to purchase their own classroom supplies out of their pockets. Overpaid and overappreciated! Teachers have always been what's bad about this country. Greedy SOB's.

So asking someone to contribute an extremely small portion of their income to a pension is unreasonable? If contributing 5.8% of my salary to my own pension improved my working conditions and allowed my company to rehire fellow workers I would see no issue in it.

Personally I believe the survey was rigged by the union to make the teachers look bad. Some teachers even called in to local radio stations prior to the survey and stated this was going to happen. The union comes out of this looking good and the teachers are to blame.

[Bigsmc]

Originally Posted by Riot

Those effing rich bastard teachers, living the life of luxury and having to purchase their own classroom supplies out of their pockets. Overpaid and overappreciated! Teachers have always been what's bad about this country. Greedy SOB's.

My kid's school sends out a list of supplies needed before each school year and another list mid-year. Parents are encouraged to buy extras for the kids that can't afford it (many do). When it is all said and done, that the teachers spend very little, if any, out of their own pocket.

This is only one school, but I would be surprised if others don't do it.

[dagolfer33]

Originally Posted by Bigsmc

My kid's school sends out a list of supplies needed before each school year and another list mid-year. Parents are encouraged to buy extras for the kids that can't afford it (many do). When it is all said and done, that the teachers spend very little, if any, out of their own pocket.

This is only one school, but I would be surprised if others don't do it.

We do the same, and I always ask if there are any deficiencies in any of their supplies, I help when I can. I know some parents do scrape to get by.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Bigsmc

My kid's school sends out a list of supplies needed before each school year and another list mid-year. Parents are encouraged to buy extras for the kids that can't afford it (many do). When it is all said and done, that the teachers spend very little, if any, out of their own pocket.

This is only one school, but I would be surprised if others don't do it.

No, I'm talking about all the classroom supplies teachers purchase themselves: stuff they put on the bulletin boards, ancillary supplies, overheads, etc.

The school only supplies teachers with an empty classroom, empty walls, and books.

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by Riot

No, I'm talking about all the classroom supplies teachers purchase themselves: stuff they put on the bulletin boards, ancillary supplies, overheads, etc.

The school only supplies teachers with an empty classroom, empty walls, and books.

This is a very broad statement and is not true in all schools, but why let the facts get in the way

[Riot]

Originally Posted by wiphan

This is a very broad statement and is not true in all schools, but why let the facts get in the way

That is a very broad statement, and that is generally true for all the school districts I have lived within in five states. Teachers generally are dedicated enough to pay alot out of pocket for classroom supplies and extras.

Go ahead, please, and post the facts that counter: lists of what the school pays for in the classroom.

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by Riot

That is a very broad statement, and that is generally true for all the school districts I have lived within in five states. Teachers generally are dedicated enough to pay alot out of pocket for classroom supplies and extras.

Go ahead, please, and post the facts that counter: lists of what the school pays for in the classroom.

You stated that the schools only pay for the walls and books. This is simply untrue in every state. That is all I am saying. Many districts reimburse teachers for supplies and some supply a lot of the items that they need. Your statement says that no school supplies a teacher with anything other than the classroom itself and the books.

I was just pointing out that you make broad untrue statements. Kind of like earlier in this thread where you claimed that MPS teachers already made concessions which is simply untrue.