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[clyde]

That's what I mean about Sizeless.



He sold out several years ago from a guy who could hit .320 with 15-20 honers to one who wanted to hit 40 and settle for .260 or so...with tons of strikeouts.

I like Brantley a lot....stick Sizeless in Seattle for a minor leaguer who will be the next Hank Aaron.

[slotdirt]

Whatever happens, please just don't let the freaking White Sox win this division. I realize the Tigers are probably going to finish with a sub-.500 record and a fired manager, but if the Indians could somehow win instead of the White Sox or - even worse - the god-dang Twins, this Tigers fan would be much obliged.

[clyde]

No to worry...it will be between Cleveland and Detroit in this triple A division.I'm thinking the way the Indians play who's on third and in the outfield and the way they replace pitchers whose era's are over 5 with pitchers who will be over 6...Detroit should eke the Tribe out.


The Twits and the Panty Hose make me sick as well.

[slotdirt]

Tigers have the best record in baseball before the All-Star break since 2006...and one of the worst post-All Star break. I think they've been in first at the halfway point something like five of the last six seasons. 2009 was particularly painful when the Tigers set the MLB record for most days spent in first place without winning a division.

[clyde]

Really?




I didn't know that stuff...you're due to change that string.

[horseofcourse]

Down one in the 9th, runner on 2nd two out, Grady turns one over to the first baseman...I know, we're all shocked!!! (it was not an outside pitch at least as I saw the replay on EVPN, but grounders to the right and K's are pretty much all there is.)

Carrasco pitched really well, so that was encouraging. A very rare big fail by the bullpen after 7 hitless innings the first two games. Herrmann pitched like a munster.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by clyde

That's what I mean about Sizeless.



He sold out several years ago from a guy who could hit .320 with 15-20 honers to one who wanted to hit 40 and settle for .260 or so...with tons of strikeouts.

I like Brantley a lot....stick Sizeless in Seattle for a minor leaguer who will be the next Hank Aaron.

Uh Grady Sizemore has never hit better than .290 in any ML season and he has always had a ton of strikeouts. And for your info all thing being equal a guy who hits .260 with 40 HR's is usually more valuable than one who hits .320 with 15.

And here I thought he had missed these last few years because of knee surgery and we find out it wasnt that at all...It was old Grady selling out.

Maybe it was just LeBrons bad advice and the knee thing was a big coverup?

[clyde]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Uh Grady Sizemore has never hit better than .290 in any ML season and he has always had a ton of strikeouts. And for your info all thing being equal a guy who hits .260 with 40 HR's is usually more valuable than one who hits .320 with 15.

And here I thought he had missed these last few years because of knee surgery and we find out it wasnt that at all...It was old Grady selling out.

Maybe it was just LeBrons bad advice and the knee thing was a big coverup?

It would take a bozo like you to make me have to appear again.Now I know what poor Dahla Whoneverwouldsendmeadupaphoto went through.

He started out with the promise of being the type of hitter I mentioned.If you look at his record, as the home runs go up...so do the strikeouts and the average goes down.This trend was showing before the injuries.So you missed a few years.He's OK now and if you would read what HC tries to tell you, you might learn something.

I will take the type of player Sizeless could have been over a Pete Incavilia , Adam Dunn, Dave Kingman type ANY DAY.


This....this is why you train ostriches.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by clyde

It would take a bozo like you to make me have to appear again.Now I know what poor Dahla Whoneverwouldsendmeadupaphoto went through.

He started out with the promise of being the type of hitter I mentioned.If you look at his record, as the home runs go up...so do the strikeouts and the average goes down.This trend was showing before the injuries.So you missed a few years.He's OK now and if you would read what HC tries to tell you, you might learn something.

I will take the type of player Sizeless could have been over a Pete Incavilia , Adam Dunn, Dave Kingman type ANY DAY.


This....this is why you train ostriches.

You are delusional and ignore reality.
Sizemore has 4 full ML seasons to examine
2005 .289 .348 .484 in 706 PA with 37 2b, 11 3b, 22hr, 52bb, 132k and 22sb
2006 .290 .375 .533 in 751 PA with 53 2b, 11 3b, 28hr, 78bb, 153k and 22sb
2007 .277 .390 .462 in 748 PA with 34 2b, 05 3b, 24 hr, 101bb, 155k and 33sb
2008 .268 .374 .502 in 745 PA with 39 2b, 05 3b, 33hr, 98bb, 130k and 38sb

What is apparent is that Sizemore was eerily consistent, wasn't developing into anything like Dave Kingman at the plate and of course this ignores the fact he was a Gold Glove defensive player at an important position, CF

His TA (true average) for those years was .290, .305, .294, .304
His VORP (value over replacement player) is 49.2, 69.8, 58.7, 58.0
His WARP (Wins over replacement player) is 4.6, 5.2, 5.9, 5.2

His last full injury free season he had DECREASED his strikeouts by 25 at the same time increasing his HR's by 9

The shame of him getting hurt and not being the same player he was doesn't mean that he wasn't always going to be the type of player that he was in 2008. The guy was what he was, your delusions that he was going to become some Juan Pierre type or that this was a good thing makes your opinion particularly absurd in this case.

[clyde]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

You are delusional and ignore reality.
Sizemore has 4 full ML seasons to examine
2005 .289 .348 .484 in 706 PA with 37 2b, 11 3b, 22hr, 52bb, 132k and 22sb
2006 .290 .375 .533 in 751 PA with 53 2b, 11 3b, 28hr, 78bb, 153k and 22sb
2007 .277 .390 .462 in 748 PA with 34 2b, 05 3b, 24 hr, 101bb, 155k and 33sb
2008 .268 .374 .502 in 745 PA with 39 2b, 05 3b, 33hr, 98bb, 130k and 38sb

What is apparent is that Sizemore was eerily consistent, wasn't developing into anything like Dave Kingman at the plate and of course this ignores the fact he was a Gold Glove defensive player at an important position, CF

His TA (true average) for those years was .290, .305, .294, .304
His VORP (value over replacement player) is 49.2, 69.8, 58.7, 58.0
His WARP (Wins over replacement player) is 4.6, 5.2, 5.9, 5.2

His last full injury free season he had DECREASED his strikeouts by 25 at the same time increasing his HR's by 9

The shame of him getting hurt and not being the same player he was doesn't mean that he wasn't always going to be the type of player that he was in 2008. The guy was what he was, your delusions that he was going to become some Juan Pierre type or that this was a good thing makes your opinion particularly absurd in this case.

I watched him a lot those first 4 years , but I can't give you the noodle films.....you're head's in the sand anyway.

You do point out the average drop so well.

And you hide how many of those strikeouts in the first 2 years were intentional strikeouts.


The guy tried to hit 40 home runs.....you could easily see his approach changed.

He didn't, his average dropped......and he became the next Dunn wannabe.


Stop being so Jewish.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by clyde

I watched him a lot those first 4 years , but I can't give you the noddle films.....you're head's in the sand anyway.

You do point out the average drop so well.

And you hide how many of those strikeouts in the first 2 years were intentional strikeouts.


The guy tried to hit 40 home runs.....you could easily see his approach changed.

He didn't, his average dropped......and he became the next Dunn wannabe.


Stop being so Jewish.

The stats dont lie
The numbers are pretty black and white
just like Grady

[clyde]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

The stats dont lie
The numbers are pretty black and white
just like Grady

Good one...and stats almost always lie.

Don't try to tell someone who watched him for those first 4 years...I wasn't watching stats;I was watching him.