Anyone play 27 horse Pick 6 at Belmont today?

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

If I'm not mistaken this is the first time this rule has been used since it was implemented. That's mainly because the track super at NYRA does a great job and rarely has to take multiple races off the turf in the middle of the card.

It sucks for the people who were 4-4 but the majority of them certainly used turf horses who were scratched and they might have been forced to land on PT favorites they didn't like. I have been victimized by the lack of off the turf provisions in South Florida and that certainly felt like a kick in the ass.

I don't think that is the part of the rule he is arguing. They kept 75% of the pool. It is a rule that rarely comes into play obviously, but it seems a very bad rule not to payout the entire pool after takeout there are tickets with all winners. Because of this, didn't most (all?) people that played lose money whether they cashed or not to basically fund a carryover?

[philcski]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

I don't think that is the part of the rule he is arguing. They kept 75% of the pool. It is a rule that rarely comes into play obviously, but it seems a very bad rule not to payout the entire pool after takeout there are tickets with all winners. Because of this, didn't most (all?) people that played lose money whether they cashed or not to basically fund a carryover?

Agreed. The rule that 'all wins' when it comes off the turf is great for the bettors and should be kept as is in NY and implemented in all jurisdictions. It's the fact that the 2-legs-off provision creates a carryover is a flat out crime. Honestly, after reading the rule, it sounds like it was written by someone who didn't understand what they were talking about.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by philcski

Agreed. The rule that 'all wins' when it comes off the turf is great for the bettors and should be kept as is in NY and implemented in all jurisdictions. It's the fact that the 2-legs-off provision creates a carryover is a flat out crime. Honestly, after reading the rule, it sounds like it was written by someone who didn't understand what they were talking about.

I don't think for one second it was written with bad intentions, but today it created a bet with a 75% or so takeout

[Calzone Lord]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

I don't think for one second it was written with bad intentions, but today it created a bet with a 75% or so takeout

Exactly.

It was almost certainly extreme incompetence over bad intentions by the people or person who designed and implemented the rule.

In order for a fair-shake - the people who got $7.60 (for hitting what amounted to a $2 pick 4! Ever see a P4 pay $3.80 for a buck? It did today) should have recieved the carryover portion of the pool. They were basically robbed.